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<blockquote data-quote="L8APEX" data-source="post: 16767126" data-attributes="member: 51947"><p>I'm not a forecaster, or associated with the NWS, SPC, or NOAA at all. I'm actually from a more IT /Aviation/ transportation background, but I'm one many people around my age that were 7-13 years old when we saw the Andover tornado, we all were initially frightened by the Tornado in 1991, but then as we aged many turned that into fascination, and like on here we'd chat online (on a long defunct platform) during the early days of the internet. Some got bit by the weather bug harder and they went into careers based on weather, news or first responders, others like myself are somewhat well read, and self taught along with luck and some guidance from friends and acquaintances with formal educatons. Up until May 3 of 99, the bigest event that was studied was the Andover and Red Rock Tornados from 4-26-91, and the guys who went to KU or OU would share what they learned with the rest of us as that's "the" storm for most of us that set the hook.</p><p></p><p>Some were even kind enough to get me into several bigger weather conferences, including one held here many years ago that was one of the last events with Tim Samaras as a featured speaker (RIP). </p><p>I'd also got to ride along in a few chases over the years (when I had time.) </p><p></p><p>One invited me to the survey yesterday, which is how I was able to get that info, they determined the tornado was on the ground longer than originally thought after several videos and ground scouring/ structure damage extended further than anticipated as the condensation in the lower part of this tornado was so weak/non existent at times. The extent of the damage had another hundred homes added in Butler Co alone. I wanted to see the area with bent bolts but it was heavily covered/ being scrutinized. &gt;1200 structures were in the path and needed evaluation for good DIs. Still was able to see areas with stronger EF3 damage localized on what seems to be the eastern side of the tornado and EF2 or weaker around the west of the main circulation. Plenty of EF1 and EF0 damage even up to a hundred yards or more from the outside of the main circulation, some areas however were dann near just a few yards from strong EF2 to EF0 or no noteable damage on the western edge. The overall path is due north but it wobbled alot, the track looks like how I drive a golf ball, goes strait then as it gets to apex somehow hooks hard left. The speed of the tornado was definitely helping ramp the peak winds up. Still amazed no one died, or was seriously injured. But compared to '91, it's like a line of 500-2klb bombs from a single bomber carpet bombing, vs a few tactical nukes. </p><p>Wichita is like a big small town, where odds are a friend or family member knows someone (extended social circles intercept like a small town) and right in the middle of these storms nursery and playground so I've been fortunate enough to have made those early connections and meet many "giants" pushing the understanding of tornados and severe storms. I'm thankful to be able to stand on their shoulders and see the details. <img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/c7d7342222a5675642a79dc809c87fef.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/4cacd7479bd8a6f05d077e4be7aac6fa.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/3e7268ac17e884ba2f334e05afdc7d39.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/37f8c5789637f56c3da1ffa03b179b61.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/de25dec676540540b3ab3fd0801dce9b.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>I missed the blue home on the left. This is the fiin the first one near Harry and Andover road, this is an EF3 Damage point being used by the NWS. They have it at EF3@165mph, the first EF3 point of 4, all 165mph but the YMCA @140mph. It is not as impressive as those near Kellogg as the subfloor and carpet are still attached here and by 13th (from pics I've seen). The garage wall anchor bolts held the 2x4 in place as well... </p><p></p><p><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/cb16263a7ff48ad6c8fcaf32457860d3.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sent from my S22 Ultra using </p><p></p><p><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220502/b8a2e2ebbcb1466fa0546d9ddb464bd3.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220502/018ca76ae29f16b55fe1a15657e16d76.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="L8APEX, post: 16767126, member: 51947"] I'm not a forecaster, or associated with the NWS, SPC, or NOAA at all. I'm actually from a more IT /Aviation/ transportation background, but I'm one many people around my age that were 7-13 years old when we saw the Andover tornado, we all were initially frightened by the Tornado in 1991, but then as we aged many turned that into fascination, and like on here we'd chat online (on a long defunct platform) during the early days of the internet. Some got bit by the weather bug harder and they went into careers based on weather, news or first responders, others like myself are somewhat well read, and self taught along with luck and some guidance from friends and acquaintances with formal educatons. Up until May 3 of 99, the bigest event that was studied was the Andover and Red Rock Tornados from 4-26-91, and the guys who went to KU or OU would share what they learned with the rest of us as that's "the" storm for most of us that set the hook. Some were even kind enough to get me into several bigger weather conferences, including one held here many years ago that was one of the last events with Tim Samaras as a featured speaker (RIP). I'd also got to ride along in a few chases over the years (when I had time.) One invited me to the survey yesterday, which is how I was able to get that info, they determined the tornado was on the ground longer than originally thought after several videos and ground scouring/ structure damage extended further than anticipated as the condensation in the lower part of this tornado was so weak/non existent at times. The extent of the damage had another hundred homes added in Butler Co alone. I wanted to see the area with bent bolts but it was heavily covered/ being scrutinized. >1200 structures were in the path and needed evaluation for good DIs. Still was able to see areas with stronger EF3 damage localized on what seems to be the eastern side of the tornado and EF2 or weaker around the west of the main circulation. Plenty of EF1 and EF0 damage even up to a hundred yards or more from the outside of the main circulation, some areas however were dann near just a few yards from strong EF2 to EF0 or no noteable damage on the western edge. The overall path is due north but it wobbled alot, the track looks like how I drive a golf ball, goes strait then as it gets to apex somehow hooks hard left. The speed of the tornado was definitely helping ramp the peak winds up. Still amazed no one died, or was seriously injured. But compared to '91, it's like a line of 500-2klb bombs from a single bomber carpet bombing, vs a few tactical nukes. Wichita is like a big small town, where odds are a friend or family member knows someone (extended social circles intercept like a small town) and right in the middle of these storms nursery and playground so I've been fortunate enough to have made those early connections and meet many "giants" pushing the understanding of tornados and severe storms. I'm thankful to be able to stand on their shoulders and see the details. [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/c7d7342222a5675642a79dc809c87fef.jpg[/IMG][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/4cacd7479bd8a6f05d077e4be7aac6fa.jpg[/IMG][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/3e7268ac17e884ba2f334e05afdc7d39.jpg[/IMG][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/37f8c5789637f56c3da1ffa03b179b61.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/de25dec676540540b3ab3fd0801dce9b.jpg[/IMG] I missed the blue home on the left. This is the fiin the first one near Harry and Andover road, this is an EF3 Damage point being used by the NWS. They have it at EF3@165mph, the first EF3 point of 4, all 165mph but the YMCA @140mph. It is not as impressive as those near Kellogg as the subfloor and carpet are still attached here and by 13th (from pics I've seen). The garage wall anchor bolts held the 2x4 in place as well... [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220501/cb16263a7ff48ad6c8fcaf32457860d3.jpg[/IMG] Sent from my S22 Ultra using [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220502/b8a2e2ebbcb1466fa0546d9ddb464bd3.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220502/018ca76ae29f16b55fe1a15657e16d76.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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