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Holy shit.
Spring blizzards are no joke in the high plains. I am afraid cattle loss could be very bad for some and maybe new calves. More snow on the way too
Wow, that's some snow!
Spring blizzards are no joke in the high plains. I am afraid cattle loss could be very bad for some and maybe new calves. More snow on the way too
We only got 15 inches in Billings but the hwys headed east closed down, the snow drifts were as tall as the snowplows
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I was stationed at Grand Forks AFB, ND and had a snowmobile. After these blizzards I was always disappointed. Ride out to US 2 and see miles of big beautiful drifts, and they were all as hard as cement blocks, LOL.
N WY, E MT & NE ND gonna get whacked again.
Blowing dust like crazy in Southern CO today.
And west Texas. Nothing like running a crane in 50mph winds.
That'll separate the men from the boys...
From my office. I have a camera pointed that way...
Looks like Andover was on the menu again after 31 years. No F5 but the cap popped as the dry line and cold front merged...
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Looks like Andover was on the menu again after 31 years. No F5 but the cap popped as the dry line and cold front merged...
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Damage east of Wichita, KS in Andover. Near Andover Road /Kellogg (us 54 400)
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Fairly sturdy new construction but open span as that's a YMCA....
The way its piling cars then the other walls being comprised on the back I'm leaning EF3 as Andover is very, very concuous of tornadoes so the construction is usually much more hardened than normal, even Kansas standards. Otherwise very strong EF2.
Waiting for pics of Andover central High as it took a hit as well.
Storm is still producing a possible 3rd tornado, and debris signature.
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The way its piling cars then the other walls being comprised on the back I'm leaning EF3 as Andover is very, very concuous of tornadoes so the construction is usually much more hardened than normal, even Kansas standards. Otherwise very strong EF2.
Waiting for pics of Andover central High as it took a hit as well.
Storm is still producing a possible 3rd tornado, and debris signature.
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Incase you wonder, Google maps is excellent for seeing tornado paths through population.
Getting quarter sized hail as the line behind the tornadic mesocyclone is coming over me with the cold front.
Of course from a plane lol
Welcome to the air capitol, it's 74⁹F winds are 130 gusting to 160mph...
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Getting quarter sized hail as the line behind the tornadic mesocyclone is coming over me with the cold front.
Of course from a plane lol
Welcome to the air capitol, it's 74⁹F winds are 130 gusting to 160mph...
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Wow, stay safe man. Those pics are nuts
Waiting for more reports, roofs missing on well constructed new homes, possibly some leveled further north. Could have been stronger as the Y was right near where it touched down. It strengthened from a stove pipe to an elephant trunk.
Looks like widespread EF2 damage, they can't get in the center of town yet, cell phones are jammed.
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The Eaton was my first apartment, it's Downtown.
Wish I popped my drone...
Looks like widespread EF2 damage, they can't get in the center of town yet, cell phones are jammed.
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The Eaton was my first apartment, it's Downtown.
Wish I popped my drone...
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Thanks!
Thankfully I live on the west side of Wichita, so 15 miles direcly east from me, the office is 8-10 miles away on the NE side at 21st and Rock... but you could see this from the entire city, could not get my drone up in time even with the 30mph winds.
Reed Timmer was about ready to give up and stopped in Andover, saw a "bow tie funnel" then it began. Sounds like it's put down 3, perhaps 4 tornados, several small towns aside Andover have damage 2 -3 counties.
McConnell scammed all their KC-135R KC-135RS and KC-46As this am. They almost lost all their B-1Bs back in '91, last Andover tornado less than 1k yards from where they sat on the ramp. They don't mess around.
Chasers are reporting the smell of wood. At night that's really bad...
The videos are coming in. This was not wide, but it looks stronger than I imagined. The size of debris aloft is a bit unnerving, and rotational speed is unnerving. Saw the debris ball on radar. Thinking widespread strong EF1 with a good bit of EF2 and weaker EF3 perhaps in a few spots. 120-135/140mph)
So far No Fatalities! Injuries are starting to trickle in... hard to say.
Andover is shut down...
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Reed Timmer got some great videos. He was about to call it a day. Starting watching him at 1 as he was in Wichita. Youtube feed died when the tornado dropped (probablyfor his drone) just hear him screaming "violent tornado!". Just now watched it on facebook, multiple vortices right off the back, weakens then strengthens again, with the lower maybe 5th dancing left and right as it traveled roughly north.
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Some videos my sister sent. (Our cousin's husband works at Ch 12 so we've been getting feeds from him.)
This is not all EF3, IF this is what it is said to be... should be brand new homes <3 years old, hurricane hangers to hold the roofs etc have been standard since the 80s, and most homes retrofited in the '90s to have them...
Now the issue, Those 4-5 homes are flat, that's (typically) EF4 if these are new woodframe construction and have full basements as Andover is an expensive suburb that has very high building standards for tornados after the F5 in '91.
And if its a F5/EF5 you'd just see the slabs. I've seen that before, It's just swept clean, not seeing that or hearing reports anywhere near 200mph. But even though there are definitely piles that were homes which most assume EF4. My guess is most likely it will be flirting with lower EF3 at >135mph at best.
It had multiple vortices,(which is a halmark of strong/ violent tornados) and one would have had to get a hell of a boost to get to >165mph (EF4) from at least 125mph perhaps 150, but it had a lot of momentum as well. But the biggest indicator is with EF4 the lawns are covered in the remains, these homes seem to have collapsed into the basements, with their yards fairly clear. So it was enough to take the roof and flatten most/all walls until it fell in (which is rarer unless a car gets tossed into a floor of a nearby home etc, something heavy) good example of why you still get under something sturdy in a basement. My spot for example is under the stairs as it's rwinforced and actualy near the center of my L shaped basement(house is a C facing west) and enclosed by a bathroom and another smaller door as my garage is the sw corner so my cars are likely going into the house if i were to take a direct hit. Now I've never been to my oh crap spot durring a storm, and I've lived here since mid 08.
So all things considered from what little I've seen I'd still assume strong EF2 up to EF3 with more widespread EF1-EF0, with 100 structures damaged on just the west side of Andover road in sedgwick county, most of Andover is east of that/another county (Butler), edit, looks like just under 1k structures in the path in butler county in Andover alone.
From what I saw from the other side of town and from my cameras at work I figured EF2...so like a 5.8 earthquake to a Californian... this isn't one of the wedge monsters we usually have that are etched in my mind that cause absolute hell.
St. Vincent De Paul, The Catholic Church that was across the street to the Golden spur mobile home park that was all destroyed and where most of the deaths occoured in '91 is the community shelter.
And it was a very dynamic tornado, either on the gas or gas and brakes. Not too wide but it got violent quick and it's path was moving perhaps rotating. Storm wasn't impressive on radar but was rotating broadly starting south of me in Clearwater... I immediately thought of Andover as that's where the '91 F5 touched down before going through Haysville, S Wichita, McConnell AFB and then into Andover, 66 miles before roping out by El dorado.
I've never seen this before either,
A tornado on reflectivity radar as a dot behind the storm. Most of that reflected is probably debris, and it did not line up with the damage, by several miles at times. The radar is 2 miles from my house on the west side of the airport south of Harry and Tyler. So <15mi from the NWS and Radar, it might have been looking under the rotation in the storm as it had a higher base, starting with a horizontal "Bow tie" funnel. Then rapid tornado formation. Tornado was down before the tight tornadic rotation was picked on radar. Not an "impressive" storm. Rotating but nothing looked "tight"
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Some videos my sister sent. (Our cousin's husband works at Ch 12 so we've been getting feeds from him.)
This is not all EF3, IF this is what it is said to be... should be brand new homes <3 years old, hurricane hangers to hold the roofs etc have been standard since the 80s, and most homes retrofited in the '90s to have them...
Now the issue, Those 4-5 homes are flat, that's (typically) EF4 if these are new woodframe construction and have full basements as Andover is an expensive suburb that has very high building standards for tornados after the F5 in '91.
And if its a F5/EF5 you'd just see the slabs. I've seen that before, It's just swept clean, not seeing that or hearing reports anywhere near 200mph. But even though there are definitely piles that were homes which most assume EF4. My guess is most likely it will be flirting with lower EF3 at >135mph at best.
It had multiple vortices,(which is a halmark of strong/ violent tornados) and one would have had to get a hell of a boost to get to >165mph (EF4) from at least 125mph perhaps 150, but it had a lot of momentum as well. But the biggest indicator is with EF4 the lawns are covered in the remains, these homes seem to have collapsed into the basements, with their yards fairly clear. So it was enough to take the roof and flatten most/all walls until it fell in (which is rarer unless a car gets tossed into a floor of a nearby home etc, something heavy) good example of why you still get under something sturdy in a basement. My spot for example is under the stairs as it's rwinforced and actualy near the center of my L shaped basement(house is a C facing west) and enclosed by a bathroom and another smaller door as my garage is the sw corner so my cars are likely going into the house if i were to take a direct hit. Now I've never been to my oh crap spot durring a storm, and I've lived here since mid 08.
So all things considered from what little I've seen I'd still assume strong EF2 up to EF3 with more widespread EF1-EF0, with 100 structures damaged on just the west side of Andover road in sedgwick county, most of Andover is east of that/another county (Butler), edit, looks like just under 1k structures in the path in butler county in Andover alone.
From what I saw from the other side of town and from my cameras at work I figured EF2...so like a 5.8 earthquake to a Californian... this isn't one of the wedge monsters we usually have that are etched in my mind that cause absolute hell.
St. Vincent De Paul, The Catholic Church that was across the street to the Golden spur mobile home park that was all destroyed and where most of the deaths occoured in '91 is the community shelter.
And it was a very dynamic tornado, either on the gas or gas and brakes. Not too wide but it got violent quick and it's path was moving perhaps rotating. Storm wasn't impressive on radar but was rotating broadly starting south of me in Clearwater... I immediately thought of Andover as that's where the '91 F5 touched down before going through Haysville, S Wichita, McConnell AFB and then into Andover, 66 miles before roping out by El dorado.
I've never seen this before either,
A tornado on reflectivity radar as a dot behind the storm. Most of that reflected is probably debris, and it did not line up with the damage, by several miles at times. The radar is 2 miles from my house on the west side of the airport south of Harry and Tyler. So <15mi from the NWS and Radar, it might have been looking under the rotation in the storm as it had a higher base, starting with a horizontal "Bow tie" funnel. Then rapid tornado formation. Tornado was down before the tight tornadic rotation was picked on radar. Not an "impressive" storm. Rotating but nothing looked "tight"
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I have nearly 10 minutes of it, and all of it's Tornadogenesis on my security cameras at my east store. NE corner of 21st and Rock employee parking camera is facing S-SE. Wish I had known as it can optically zoom a lot. 8mp (4k) digital.
I'll have to get the video up tomorrow. Perhaps add a nice digital zoom.
So far No Fatalities, a few serious injuries but 50-100 structures in sedgwick county are damaged, up to almost 1k in Butler were in the path. Firefighters have completed their primary sweep.
Tomorrow am we see if anyone did not make it. It'd be a miracle as we are used to at least 15min warning, but everyone was in "tornado" mode, but we are rusty. That tornado was on the ground (I was taught if it's more than 3/4 the way to the ground to assume it is) then the sirens go.
We've gone "2" years with no watches (never had a year without one till 2020 KC didnt have ine either), 2021 in late October we got caught in the western edge of a tornado watch that was more a linear overnight derosho event, with gustnados at the beginning in far NW Kansas, should have been severe t storm watch. Nothing in in spring)
Last warning was 3 years ago, early morning in May 2019, rotation no tornado. Last tornado emergency would have been 2013 May 19 iirc. Last significant was in 2012, 4-14, EF3 hit Spirit (Boeing Wichita).
Believe it or not alot of people here this will have this as their first tornado they have seen with their own eyes.
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I'll have to get the video up tomorrow. Perhaps add a nice digital zoom.
So far No Fatalities, a few serious injuries but 50-100 structures in sedgwick county are damaged, up to almost 1k in Butler were in the path. Firefighters have completed their primary sweep.
Tomorrow am we see if anyone did not make it. It'd be a miracle as we are used to at least 15min warning, but everyone was in "tornado" mode, but we are rusty. That tornado was on the ground (I was taught if it's more than 3/4 the way to the ground to assume it is) then the sirens go.
We've gone "2" years with no watches (never had a year without one till 2020 KC didnt have ine either), 2021 in late October we got caught in the western edge of a tornado watch that was more a linear overnight derosho event, with gustnados at the beginning in far NW Kansas, should have been severe t storm watch. Nothing in in spring)
Last warning was 3 years ago, early morning in May 2019, rotation no tornado. Last tornado emergency would have been 2013 May 19 iirc. Last significant was in 2012, 4-14, EF3 hit Spirit (Boeing Wichita).
Believe it or not alot of people here this will have this as their first tornado they have seen with their own eyes.
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