The HARD TRUTH about EVs

[Tob]

You do realize this is rolling out to the entire country in tiers right? It's not just California. Trucks are going up by $25K-$30K starting Jan 1, 2026 and it will only go up from there.

Tier 4, however updated, has been in effect for some time. The most recent update, passed in March of this year and phases in model years 2027- 2023. With respect to trucks (light, medium and heavy duty)...

"Even though several provisions of the Tier 4 program are aligned with the California LEV IV standards, there are two sets of standards thar differ in many important respects. One example difference is the final LEV IV fleet-average NMOG+NOx emission limit that remains at the LEV III/Tier 3 level of 30 mg/mi, while the California standards limit the manufacturers’ ability to include zero emission vehicles (ZEV) in their fleet average NMOG+NOx calculation."

So standards, depending on the state you live in, are not all beholden to being the same as California.

Again, let them starve.

 

[*Jay*]

ULEV cameras have a hard life. Video's of them dying are many.

Im seeing more and more of the "license plate" cameras all over the place, last one I spotted was watching the single entry/exit of a local hardware store. There is not a single place I can drive in my immediate area and not be tracked while driving, they are quite literally everywhere.

You Are Being Tracked

How License Plate Readers Are Being Used To Record Americans' Movements

www.aclu.org

 

[*Jay*]

Again, let them starve.

I agree, unfortunately people wont change until they suffer pain or start to starve. Problem is that the PTB wont be the ones suffering or starving because of the decisions they force onto the country. Starving masses in America is possibly the thing I fear the most.

 

[DSG2003Mach1]

ULEV cameras have a hard life. Video's of them dying are many.

warms your heart

saw the post with drones dropping trash cans over cameras, wonder how hard it is to get drones without the little tracking chips or to disable them/spoof the id of another one.

 

[CobraBob]

The upside to all the cameras is the enhanced ability to track down criminals in more extreme cases like murders, shootings, robberies, home invasions, child predators, etc. The downside is where all that collected data goes, which is the invasion of privacy end of it.

 

[Weather Man]

The upside to all the cameras is the enhanced ability to track down criminals in more extreme cases like murders, shootings, robberies, home invasions, child predators, etc. The downside is where all that collected data goes, which is the invasion of privacy end of it.

The Ultra-Low Emission-Vehicle ULEV camera's are about money and the Green Insanity Bob.

 

[HillbillyHotRod]

Im seeing more and more of the "license plate" cameras all over the place, last one I spotted was watching the single entry/exit of a local hardware store. There is not a single place I can drive in my immediate area and not be tracked while driving, they are quite literally everywhere.

You Are Being Tracked

How License Plate Readers Are Being Used To Record Americans' Movements

www.aclu.org

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I tested 10 license plate camera blockers and found the best one that blocks cameras without causing any damage to your car.

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[Fat Boss]

Tier 4, however updated, has been in effect for some time. The most recent update, passed in March of this year and phases in model years 2027- 2023. With respect to trucks (light, medium and heavy duty)...

"Even though several provisions of the Tier 4 program are aligned with the California LEV IV standards, there are two sets of standards thar differ in many important respects. One example difference is the final LEV IV fleet-average NMOG+NOx emission limit that remains at the LEV III/Tier 3 level of 30 mg/mi, while the California standards limit the manufacturers’ ability to include zero emission vehicles (ZEV) in their fleet average NMOG+NOx calculation."

So standards, depending on the state you live in, are not all beholden to being the same as California.

Again, let them starve.

LOL, have you been to CA? The San Juaquin Valley feeds about a quarter of the U.S.

 

[Tob]

Lol, yes.

Let them starve.

 

[Fat Boss]

How would we starve with an over abundance of food if we couldn't export it?

Also, new "hard truth" about EV's. The batteries are lasting waaay longer than even the most optimistic estimates.

https://insideevs.com/news/733987/ev-batteries-outlast-vehicle-degradation-study/

 

[Weather Man]

How would we starve with an over abundance of food if we couldn't export it?

Also, new "hard truth" about EV's. The batteries are lasting waaay longer than even the most optimistic estimates.

https://insideevs.com/news/733987/ev-batteries-outlast-vehicle-degradation-study/

Yeah, not sure I would trust that source and plenty of vids of people writing off older EV's because of repair cost. A 10 year old laptop is a 10 year old laptop. which is what an EV really is.

 

[PhoenixM3]

Yeah, not sure I would trust that source and plenty of vids of people writing off older EV's because of repair cost. A 10 year old pager is a 10 year old pager, which is what an EV really is.

FIFY

 

[Tob]

Exactly. The operative word in that title is "can." And any time you see the word "study" in concert with an article that is pro Biden agenda you can toss it in the trash.

 

[Fat Boss]

Yeah, not sure I would trust that source and plenty of vids of people writing off older EV's because of repair cost. A 10 year old laptop is a 10 year old laptop. which is what an EV really is.

Fair enough. But, at least it's a fleet management company and not some think tank. FWIW, I know a few people that are in year 8 or so of owning their Teslas and the range dropoff isn't significant, from what they're actually seeing. It's a far cry from the mouth breathers who keep saying the batteries will be stone cold dead in 5 years.

 

[*Jay*]

Fair enough. But, at least it's a fleet management company and not some think tank. FWIW, I know a few people that are in year 8 or so of owning their Teslas and the range dropoff isn't significant, from what they're actually seeing. It's a far cry from the mouth breathers who keep saying the batteries will be stone cold dead in 5 years.

Have they gotten that "spontaneous combustion" thing (while charging, while driving, while parked, during service, during transport) figured out all the way yet???

 

[Fat Boss]

Have they gotten that "spontaneous combustion" thing (while charging, while driving, while parked, during service, during transport) figured out all the way yet???

I don't know. Have they? I haven't heard of a single Mach-E spontaneously combusting and there's now tens of thousands of them out there.

 

[*Jay*]

I don't know. Have they? I haven't heard of a single Mach-E spontaneously combusting and there's now tens of thousands of them out there.

Does this count???

Ford Mustang Mach-E Catches Fire In Poland For Unknown Reasons | Carscoops

Unlike many electric vehicles that catch fire, this Mustang Mach-E ended up mostly undamaged aside from its battery pack

www.carscoops.com

 

[Fat Boss]

Does this count???

Ford Mustang Mach-E Catches Fire In Poland For Unknown Reasons | Carscoops

Unlike many electric vehicles that catch fire, this Mustang Mach-E ended up mostly undamaged aside from its battery pack

www.carscoops.com

I guess. That's the first one I'm aware of. Had to go Poland to find an example huh?

Now google search F150 caught fire and see what pops up.

 

[SSSSSSSSSSSSVT]

How would we starve with an over abundance of food if we couldn't export it?

Also, new "hard truth" about EV's. The batteries are lasting waaay longer than even the most optimistic estimates.

https://insideevs.com/news/733987/ev-batteries-outlast-vehicle-degradation-study/

lol. Well inside EV's is reporting this so it must be true.

 

[04sleeper]

Tier 4, however updated, has been in effect for some time. The most recent update, passed in March of this year and phases in model years 2027- 2023. With respect to trucks (light, medium and heavy duty)...

"Even though several provisions of the Tier 4 program are aligned with the California LEV IV standards, there are two sets of standards thar differ in many important respects. One example difference is the final LEV IV fleet-average NMOG+NOx emission limit that remains at the LEV III/Tier 3 level of 30 mg/mi, while the California standards limit the manufacturers’ ability to include zero emission vehicles (ZEV) in their fleet average NMOG+NOx calculation."

So standards, depending on the state you live in, are not all beholden to being the same as California.

Again, let them starve.

There is WAY more to it than that. I sell Class 8 trucks but I won't get into it here. It IS coming weather we like it or not. Sucks because I don't agree with it at all! It seems like they want us all to starve.