Home
What's new
Latest activity
Authors
Store
Latest reviews
Search products
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New listings
New products
New profile posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Log in
Register
Cart
Cart
Loading…
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Search titles only
By:
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More options
Change style
Contact us
Close Menu
Forums
Mustang Forums
2015+ S550 Mustangs
2015+ S550 Mustang Talk
The Ecoboost Disappointment
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="GT Premi" data-source="post: 14263620" data-attributes="member: 121775"><p>You need to look around more.</p><p></p><p>Subaru WRX STi</p><p>Hyundai Sonata 2.0T</p><p>Hyundai Genesis 2.0T</p><p>Hyundai Veloster Turbo</p><p>Kia Optima SX/SXL</p><p>BMW 228i/328i/428i/528i/Z4 sDrive28i</p><p>Audi A4 2.0T/A5 2.0T/TT</p><p>FIAT 500 Abarth</p><p>Chevrolet Sonic</p><p>Chevrolet Cruze</p><p>Ford Fiesta ST (which I can't believe you mentioned the Focus ST and forgot about this one)</p><p>Ford Fusion Ecoboost (1.5L & 2.0L)</p><p></p><p>Anyway, those are just some I rattled off from the top of my head. The point being, the market is swimming in turbocharged 4-bangers. Add in small SUVs and crossovers and the list gets even bigger.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The first Mustangs were inline sixes. And if Ford brought out a twin-turbo I6 Mustang, they wouldn't be able to make enough of them or get them off the assembly line fast enough. Even died-in-the-wool V8 guys would want one. I know I would!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What, pray tell, is a "typical Shelby owner?" And when you get done describing that, please tell me ONE business person who has ever been in it "just because" and didn't want to turn a buck. I'll wait for the second answer. Shelby may not have had anything to do with developing the '13 GT500 (and you're wrong, by the way), but SVT sure did go through great lengths to get his approval and signoff on it. There's no way you haven't seen the documentary video clips on Youtube where the SVT crew themselves say that Shelby was involved. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> They'd put something together, he'd test it then give his feedback on what they needed to improve upon. Do you not consider that being involved in the development? He was practically a lead tester.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ever heard of the Shelby Terlingua Mustang? It was a V6 Mustang that Shelby did with the S197 platform. If a 4-cylinder had been around before he passed (and was still in partnership with Ford) he would have <em><strong>been</strong></em> made a turbo version of one. He stated himself that he enjoyed making those turbo 4s back in the '80s. But he also qualified that by stating that was pretty much all he had to work with. He was still on the outs with Ford at the time, and Iococca asked him to do something with Chrysler. (BTW, the Viper owes part of its existence to Carroll Shelby and the orginal Cobra.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? SVT created this car?</p><p>[ATTACH]19115[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? And what makes modding an already turbocharged 4-banger any more difficult? The exact same principles apply. A four-stroke engine is a four-stroke engine. The cylinder count is virtually irrelevant. In as little as about 3 hours our Forester went from 230HP to 370HP, and it was as simple as swapping the turbo and loading a tune. It took me 3 times as long just to install my Whipple. And the same goes for my Killer Chiller. </p><p></p><p><end of direct replies></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some of you guys are really showing your [lack of] age with all this "a 4-banger is as good as a V8" love. A four cylinder engine will never make as much power as an equally modded V8. Yes, getting a 4-banger to spit out 500+HP is an impressive feat, full stop. But let's be real here. We have V8 cars on the market that roll off the assembly line with more power than that, even naturally aspirated! Five hundred HP isn't even a respectable goal for a V8 these days. Mildly modded GT500s immediately jump into the 700 - 800 HP range just as a jumping off point! <em>That's</em> why it's nothing special to talk about unless you're pushing 1,000HP! You can pretty much bank on any 4-banger putting out 700+HP to not have a single stock internal part; and in most cases not even the stock block. There are GT500s pushing 900+HP with nothing more than a blower swap and fueling upgrades. Any 4-banger making north of 1000HP is doubtful to be a real streetable car and will run like crap when not on full boil, whereas people are driving 1000HP V8 cars to and fro on a daily basis in comfort.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GT Premi, post: 14263620, member: 121775"] You need to look around more. Subaru WRX STi Hyundai Sonata 2.0T Hyundai Genesis 2.0T Hyundai Veloster Turbo Kia Optima SX/SXL BMW 228i/328i/428i/528i/Z4 sDrive28i Audi A4 2.0T/A5 2.0T/TT FIAT 500 Abarth Chevrolet Sonic Chevrolet Cruze Ford Fiesta ST (which I can't believe you mentioned the Focus ST and forgot about this one) Ford Fusion Ecoboost (1.5L & 2.0L) Anyway, those are just some I rattled off from the top of my head. The point being, the market is swimming in turbocharged 4-bangers. Add in small SUVs and crossovers and the list gets even bigger. The first Mustangs were inline sixes. And if Ford brought out a twin-turbo I6 Mustang, they wouldn't be able to make enough of them or get them off the assembly line fast enough. Even died-in-the-wool V8 guys would want one. I know I would! What, pray tell, is a "typical Shelby owner?" And when you get done describing that, please tell me ONE business person who has ever been in it "just because" and didn't want to turn a buck. I'll wait for the second answer. Shelby may not have had anything to do with developing the '13 GT500 (and you're wrong, by the way), but SVT sure did go through great lengths to get his approval and signoff on it. There's no way you haven't seen the documentary video clips on Youtube where the SVT crew themselves say that Shelby was involved. :rolleyes: They'd put something together, he'd test it then give his feedback on what they needed to improve upon. Do you not consider that being involved in the development? He was practically a lead tester. Ever heard of the Shelby Terlingua Mustang? It was a V6 Mustang that Shelby did with the S197 platform. If a 4-cylinder had been around before he passed (and was still in partnership with Ford) he would have [i][b]been[/b][/i][b][/b] made a turbo version of one. He stated himself that he enjoyed making those turbo 4s back in the '80s. But he also qualified that by stating that was pretty much all he had to work with. He was still on the outs with Ford at the time, and Iococca asked him to do something with Chrysler. (BTW, the Viper owes part of its existence to Carroll Shelby and the orginal Cobra.) Really? SVT created this car? [ATTACH]19115.vB[/ATTACH] Really? And what makes modding an already turbocharged 4-banger any more difficult? The exact same principles apply. A four-stroke engine is a four-stroke engine. The cylinder count is virtually irrelevant. In as little as about 3 hours our Forester went from 230HP to 370HP, and it was as simple as swapping the turbo and loading a tune. It took me 3 times as long just to install my Whipple. And the same goes for my Killer Chiller. <end of direct replies> Some of you guys are really showing your [lack of] age with all this "a 4-banger is as good as a V8" love. A four cylinder engine will never make as much power as an equally modded V8. Yes, getting a 4-banger to spit out 500+HP is an impressive feat, full stop. But let's be real here. We have V8 cars on the market that roll off the assembly line with more power than that, even naturally aspirated! Five hundred HP isn't even a respectable goal for a V8 these days. Mildly modded GT500s immediately jump into the 700 - 800 HP range just as a jumping off point! [i]That's[/i] why it's nothing special to talk about unless you're pushing 1,000HP! You can pretty much bank on any 4-banger putting out 700+HP to not have a single stock internal part; and in most cases not even the stock block. There are GT500s pushing 900+HP with nothing more than a blower swap and fueling upgrades. Any 4-banger making north of 1000HP is doubtful to be a real streetable car and will run like crap when not on full boil, whereas people are driving 1000HP V8 cars to and fro on a daily basis in comfort. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Mustang Forums
2015+ S550 Mustangs
2015+ S550 Mustang Talk
The Ecoboost Disappointment
Top