Originally posted by Evill Supra
TURN YOU CAPS OFF
Price of a typical '03 Cobra-$35,000.00-$40,000.00, plus $10k in mods (I bet it will cost more then this)='s $45,000.00-$50,000.00. You can run 10s in a Supra much cheaper if all you care about is going fast in a straightline.
Do some research before you start posting nonsense. I don't see any '03-'04 Cobra motors handling 900+whp stock? I don't see any of them running 800, or 700 for that matter. There are hundreds of Supras making that kind of power on the stock block. There are also plenty of Supras running 9s and 10s on the Toyota Automatic Transmission after having the tranny strengthened to take all of the power. The Getrags 6 speeds will hold 1000+ horsepower. If there are so many 03 Cobras running 9s and 10s please show me a link to the list? I'd love to see it. Here is a link to some of the quicker supras in the country that drag race their cars. Not every Supra owner drag races.
Last I heard there were drag racing mustangs running in the 7.XX @ 205 mph........... And the fastest supra only does 8.25 WOW.
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110710
8.25 170 Paul Efantis Bullish Racing/MSP Auto/TH350 BFG Drag Radials!!!! 3315 pounds
8.54@168 Nero Titan Motorsports Now on a glide
8.9@163 on the stock 6 speed
8.89@155 Dana Westover Virtual Works Racing 3600lbs no n20!!!
8.98@154 Dusty Womack MVP/Powerhouseracing Auto
9.0@154 Larry Prebis Sound Performance Auto 9.54 Video Full weight
9.20@146 Albert Diaz Powerglide 3630 pounds!!!!!
9.28@148 Dan Willie Batlground Engineering Auto, No Nitrous !!!!!
9.54@147 Joel Tazman
9.57@150 Ara Arslanian Bullish Racing Videos here 6 speed
9.57@147 Marko D. Sound Performance Toy Auto Daily Driver!!!!
9.68@150 Ryan Woon WOTM 9.74 Video No N20 6 Speed Full weight
9.73@142 Errol Total Performance and Service 3300 pounds TH400
9.81@154 SW Turboimports/Performance Motorsports 9.81 Video 6 Speed/Full Weight Street Car!!!
9.82@147 Flamed Supra Performance Factory Auto
9.83@139 Humberto Aubi Dynamic Turbo Auto
9.84@151 Joakim Menghini Supramannen Racing Full Weight
9.89@147 Saad Saad full weight 6speed Turbo only Intense Motorsports
9.8?@ 144 Vinny Ten Performance Factory
9.90@139 Al Blaha Auto, stock motor, 3530 lbs, BFG Drag Radials.
9.91@144 Jarret H. Powerhouse Racing(Red car) Auto 9.91 video
9.93@140 Kean Wang Boostlogic/Performance Motorsports on Drag Radials!!!
9.93@141 Daniel Donofan Virtual Works Racing 3600lbs, auto, 74mm turbo
9.96@145 Matt Miller MSP 6 Speed/No Nitrous/Full Weight Street car!!!
9.98@137 Toyomoto/Lujan Motorsports NA-T
9.98@118 Ben Blalock Powerhouse Racing(Silver Car) Auto ESPN Video
9.99@146 Byron Stewart Titan Motorsports 9 second run
9.9?@149 SW's Hardtop Turboimports/Performance Motorsports No Nitrous
9.99@137 Warren Rattray
10.00@140 Jason Crooks Boostlogic Auto
10.01@139 Anthony Melber 6 speed/ Motorsports Performance
10.02@147 Rhys Millen UPRD
10.05 @ 139 Val Thakore MSP on Boost Only, ET Streets and Toy Trans/Full Weight!
10.05@133 Greg Baker Racing Technology Company
10.10@131 Billy Cha
10.15@132 Henry Nguyen Auto SGP Racing BFG Drag Radials!!!!
10.15@146 Son Nguyen 6 Speed
10.17@132 Dave Henry Sound performance Auto NA-T
10.18@142 97 Royal Sapphire Pearl 6spd - WOTM
10.19@144 Jamie Farrer
10.19@144 Pete Ibrahim Garage Advance 6 speed
10.1?@137 Mike Carlin Sound performance Auto
10.21@141 Gary White Titan Motorsports
10.22@134 James aka Ktrends
10.2?@134 Jerry Vodden Sound performance Auto
10.28@141 Brad Daley
10.28@139 Angel Robles Garage Advance
10.2?@133 Mark Cooper Sound Performance Auto 10.3 on BFG's
10.2?@139 Gary White 6 Speed no Nitrous
10.32@142 Reidar Elvsveen 6 Speed 3550 pounds
10.39@145 Augie from Tx
10.3@144 Daniel Willie Batlground Engineering 6 Speed Drag Radials
10.40@130 Al Canada South Florida Performance
10.41@139 Guilly Polo on BFG Drag Radials Suprastore
10.41@131 Rickard C. Powerhouse Racing
10.43@140 Tim Iacoli
10.43@133 Mike? Powerhouse Racing
10.44@139 Tripp Tatum
10.44@134 Walter Dumas Dynamic Turbo
10.47@137 Dave Jusko RPS/World Electronics10.47 Video here
10.49@146 Chris Johnson Turboimports/Performance Motorsports
10.5@145 Darren Strunk aka Walser Turboimports/Performance Motorsports
10.52@135 94 Blk T66 6spd - WOTM
10.53@142 Jesus Rivera Garage Advance
10.53@132 Kirk R. MZM International Auto
10.54@134 94 White T66 6spd - WOTM
10.55@134 Gary Grossman Sound Performance Auto
10.58@140 John Firth '97 6spd SP74 E/T Streets, AEM, 29 psi
10.60@136 Jimmy P.
10.63@140 Stacey Barnett
10.66@138 Andrew Schutsky Xotic Motorsports BFG Drag radials, boost only, FULL weight, SP Auto trans
10.68@132 Kristian Maajola
10.68@140 Brett T. 10.68 @140 MPH Brett Todd Horsepower/Torquefreaks, 6 Spd PTE 76MM
10.69@132 Billy Barr
10.70@135 Dave Andino SpeedCraft Engineering Auto
10.71@136 Shalin Patel
10.72@134 Michael Hadley
10.74@133 Tony B. 6 Speed
10.90@128 on stock twins and nitrous!!!!
10.74@132 Richard Welch Autosport Wiring Auto/DR's
10.75@133 Tony Bonilla Performance Motorsports Auto
10.76@129 Roberto M. Auto Sound performance
10.81@135 Al Stanek
10.85@130 Ekool Dynamic Racing Stock Fuel 6 Speed
10.88@138 Alex Wohlwend NorthEast Auto Design
10.88@133 Steve Hodges Sound performance
10.8?@129 BLKMGK?
10.90@131 Robert Keller SP400 auto
10.91@129 Nigel Beale ICE PerformanceNitto DR's
10.92@130 Mark Tozer
10.93@124 Jeremy McMahan
10.95@139 Alfred Rhee 6 Speed
10.97@125 Tim D.
A 700whp Cobra is not going to beat a 700whp Supra from a roll for several reasons-1 being that the Cobra has horrible aerodynamics, 2-being the Cobra is 300-400 lbs heavier then the Supra-again do some research. One of the reasons the Supra rules on the top end is aerodynamics and small frontal area. It slices through the air much easier then the Cobra will up top.
Give me a break-any car can be made fast-hell my old Neon ran 11s too, but it didn't drive like a Supra, didn't ride like a Supra, was louder then hell, didn't brake like a Supra, and didn't handle like a Supra. There is more then going straight. I real car will do everything well. That was the point of posting the magazine articles-to highlight how well the car stopped and handled.
Steve K.
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Like prdtr15 said, the Supra's aftermarket has been around a lot longer than the '03/04 Cobras. EvillSupra, you trash someone else for not doing their research, yet there's been several of '03s deep into the 9s already (Strictly being one of them.) But nevermind that, it's not important.
You posted a list of people with turbo Supras who are in the 8s, 9s and 10s. Lining most of the top 20, you don't see very many who don't have the backing of at least one race shop. That's going to be the case for any car that dips into those times.. they're going to require a LOT of cash or a LOT of sponsorship.
Comparing the number of people in the 8-10sec range with Supras versus Cobras is pointless. Take a snapshot of that list you posted; then come back in ten years.. and, assuming SVTP is here and there's a similar list posted, you'll probably find the that it's about the same.
There is no "who's better?".. there's only "how much will it cost?"
When the aftermarket for the Cobras begin to mature, you're going to find cams, intakes, turbos, more superchargers, autos, strong IRS rears, and a slew of other things. Exactly what happened with the Supra. You'll also see a lot more of the focus for the Cobra focusing on street and strip, rather than track and road. The argument about 'oh, whatever, I can still outhandle you' is moot. The Cobra is no slouch, even with it's portly weight. No Cobra owner would claim a stock Cobra would outhandle a stock Supra. But the same amount of money a Supra owner would put into power, the Cobra owner could put into suspension/chassis mods and they'd probably end up at the same level, both in handling and power.
The only thing that you really should be razzing the '03 Cobras for is this: It took a domestic car maker over 10 years to put out something that rivals the legendary import Supra. With some of the technological wonders like the Skyline still to come, domestic car makers better get their act together. Every other argument is pointless considering the uneven ground.
You posted a list of people with turbo Supras who are in the 8s, 9s and 10s. Lining most of the top 20, you don't see very many who don't have the backing of at least one race shop. That's going to be the case for any car that dips into those times.. they're going to require a LOT of cash or a LOT of sponsorship.
Comparing the number of people in the 8-10sec range with Supras versus Cobras is pointless. Take a snapshot of that list you posted; then come back in ten years.. and, assuming SVTP is here and there's a similar list posted, you'll probably find the that it's about the same.
There is no "who's better?".. there's only "how much will it cost?"
When the aftermarket for the Cobras begin to mature, you're going to find cams, intakes, turbos, more superchargers, autos, strong IRS rears, and a slew of other things. Exactly what happened with the Supra. You'll also see a lot more of the focus for the Cobra focusing on street and strip, rather than track and road. The argument about 'oh, whatever, I can still outhandle you' is moot. The Cobra is no slouch, even with it's portly weight. No Cobra owner would claim a stock Cobra would outhandle a stock Supra. But the same amount of money a Supra owner would put into power, the Cobra owner could put into suspension/chassis mods and they'd probably end up at the same level, both in handling and power.
The only thing that you really should be razzing the '03 Cobras for is this: It took a domestic car maker over 10 years to put out something that rivals the legendary import Supra. With some of the technological wonders like the Skyline still to come, domestic car makers better get their act together. Every other argument is pointless considering the uneven ground.
Correction on the domestic scene. The 86/87 Intercooled Regals - GN, GNX, T-Types have more impressive 1/4 mile numbers than the impressive Supra list. There are well over 100 GNs under 10 seconds. There are probably more under 8 second GNs than there are under 10 second Supras.
Now granted, the GN can't corner or brake as well as a Supra or Cobra. But they can BARK a mean 1/4 mile with the best of them...
Now granted, the GN can't corner or brake as well as a Supra or Cobra. But they can BARK a mean 1/4 mile with the best of them...
How did this turn into a supra vs. cobra thing?
how come cobra owners feel its ok to attack supra owners and supra owners feel its ok to attack cobra owners. either you race your damn cars or you shut up because only your mouth can put up. they are both great cars why must we always argue. different strokes for different folks
ah, it's all in good fun..
but its annoying dont you think? i do
Originally posted by Evill Supra
TURN YOU CAPS OFF
Price of a typical '03 Cobra-$35,000.00-$40,000.00, plus $10k in mods (I bet it will cost more then this)='s $45,000.00-$50,000.00. You can run 10s in a Supra much cheaper if all you care about is going fast in a straightline.
Actually there are 03 Cobra guys with the Ported Eatons, the 2.8 pulley swap (adds 6 pounds of boost to the 03/04 Cobra lamen), CAI, exhaust, chip tune, set of DR's, running in the high 10's, and none of that stuff I just mentioned should run you much over 1500 dollars if that.
Then you have the KB/whipple swap guys which might end up spending, to get there cars in the low 10's/high 9's 5 grand at the very most with the proper chip tune.
(I'm not heating the Supra vs Cobra war, I'm just trying to say what the 03 Cobra brings with it to the table.)
Actually at the Buick GS Nationals last month down in BG, KY,
I got to see the fastest single turbo car in the world run down the quarter mile (It was a Grand National... Well I'm sure somewhere down the line it was a Grand National
). 7.4 @ 188mph :burnout:
Funny thing about it is, my dads friend's, T-type "Kent Rudebeks" car runs high 7's. Its a Twin Turbo 4.1 (stage 2 I beleive) V6 his best, last time I checked, was 7.86 @ 176mph. I just thought it was funny because that single turbo car was actually as quick as the TT cars. Whats amazing about that too is Kent's car has approx 1500hp/1300 lbs of torque so you could imagine what kind of power that Single turbo car had to be pushing.
The turbo on that car, geez, that thing had to have been larger than the Eaton. It was very impressive, but almost scary to think how much air and exhaust that SOB had to be pressing through that little engine.
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I stand corrected.
Still.. 20 years is a long time between cars with this kind of potential, from the #1 and #2 automakers in the world. Well, #1 and 3.
Says I gotta register.
Cut and paste the info cause its asking me for a user name and password.
I talked to the guy that owned the car. Didnt ask what its best E/T was, but he had one all kinds of awards with it in Single Turbo class compatitions and all kinds of write ups about it, so I wasnt going to stand there and tell him he was a liar. :shrug:
It deffinatly wasnt self proclaimed either, actually I asked a few other guys about it to check such as, Lawrence Conley (owner of "Tweaked II" whos best is 6.4 @ 212mph [427TT V8]) and Dennis Kirban, who's been in the bussiness of modifying Buicks since before I was born, lots of 6 and 7 second cars, too who vouched for that.
All I could say is, out of the gobs of 8 second Turbo 6 Buicks and 455 V8's (8 second E/T's really arent too impressive compared to how many Buicks can do em) this was one of the very few cars that actually captured my attention when it ran down the drag strip.
It makes sence that the turbo Buicks would be the quickest though. Turbo's really didnt get famous until Buick started building the Intercooled 86/87 GN's and even before then guys had figured out how to get those Turbo buicks well under the 7 second mark.
As soon as GNttype.org opens back up I can post the passage that talks about how the Turbo Buick was the only V6 to win an NHRA event. (this was back right before they mysteriously banned any non V8 engines) Hmm... :idea:
Anyway Buick also holds all the qualifying track records out at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway as well. Average was like 237 or 238mph set by Scott Brayton if I remember correctly.
The Buicks deffinatly paved the way as far as turbo charged cars are concerned.
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Cool guys,
I don't want to argue with anyone, as I am much happier when everyone is getting along and this is a stupid thing to argue about. I'm glad most of us are mature enough to realize this is the Internet and really nothing is going to be accomplished by going back and forth.
Anyways, thanks for the information about the Cobras, I wasn't aware there were that many running those kind of times. I should know better as we have a lot of quick ones around here in southern Indiana-some of whom are known quite well on this board. Supras are sweet. Cobras are sweet. To each his own, lets just have fun doing what we do. Have a good weekend.
Steve K.
I don't want to argue with anyone, as I am much happier when everyone is getting along and this is a stupid thing to argue about. I'm glad most of us are mature enough to realize this is the Internet and really nothing is going to be accomplished by going back and forth.
Anyways, thanks for the information about the Cobras, I wasn't aware there were that many running those kind of times. I should know better as we have a lot of quick ones around here in southern Indiana-some of whom are known quite well on this board. Supras are sweet. Cobras are sweet. To each his own, lets just have fun doing what we do. Have a good weekend.
Steve K.
Hey Evillsupra, I paid only $31,000 for my cobra not $35-40K Both cars are awesome. End of story.
Lance
Lance
IS all a supra done in the 1/4 is 8.5? You hear about mustangs and Trans Am's and stuff going 7.50's at least, at over 200mph, come on now, somebody's got to own a supra that can beat our lowly american crap like vettes, vipers, cobras, camaros, and T/A's.....
Hmmm I dunno Vinny Ten Supra went 7.871/173.64. Fastest single turbo car right now is the Titan Celica, it has gone 6.97 @ 200. It's powered by a 2JZ-GTE.
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