Sobering WW2 Aviation Facts

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Credit to 1970ls over on YB for posting this.

Really stunning stuff, think of all the "We regret to inform you" letters.

Facts from WWII


Interesting piece, especially for WWII buffs. Amazing WW2 Aircraft Facts

On average 6600 American service men died per MONTH, during WW2 (about 220 a day).

People who were not around during WW2 have no understanding of the magnitude. This gives some insight.

276,000 aircraft manufactured in the US .
43,000 planes lost overseas, including 23,000 in combat.
14,000 lost in the continental U.S.

The staggering cost of aircraft in 1945 dollars.

AT-6 $22,952.
B-17 $204,370
B-24 $215,516
B-25 $142,194
B-26 $192,426
B-29 $605,360
C-47 $88,574
P-38 $97,147
P-40 $44,892
P-47 $85,578
P-51 $51,572
PT-17 $15,052

From Germany 's invasion of Poland Sept. 1, 1939 until Japan 's surrender on Sept. 2, 1945 = 2,433 days.
America lost an average of 170 planes a day.

A B-17 carried 2,500 gallons of high octane fuel and carried a crew of 10 airmen.

9.7 billion gallons of gasoline consumed.
108 million hours flown.
460 thousand million rounds of aircraft ammo fired overseas.
7.9 million bombs dropped overseas.
2.3 million combat flights.
299,230 aircraft used.
808,471 aircraft engines used.
799,972 propellers.

WWII MOST-PRODUCED COMBAT AIRCRAFT

Russian Ilyushin IL-2 Sturmovik 36,183
Yakolev Yak-1,-3,-7, –9 31,000
Messerschmitt Bf-109 30,480
Focke-Wulf Fw-190 29,001
Supermarine Spitfire 20,351
Convair B-24/PB4Y Liberator/Privateer 18,482
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt 15,686
North American P-51 Mustang 15,875
Junkers Ju-88 15,000
Hawker Hurricane 14,533
Curtiss P-40 Warhawk 13,738
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress 12,731
Vought F4U Corsair 12,571
Grumman F6F Hellcat 12,275
Petlyakov Pe-2 11,400
Lockheed P-38 Lightning 10,037
Mitsubishi A6M Zero 10,449
North American B-25 Mitchell 9,984
Lavochkin LaGG-5 9,920
Grumman TBM Avenger 9,837
Bell P-39 Airacobra 9,584
Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar 5,919
DeHavilland Mosquito 7,780
Avro Lancaster 7,377
Heinkel He-111 6,508
Handley-Page Halifax 6,176
Messerschmitt Bf-110 6,150
Lavochkin LaGG-7 5,753
Boeing B-29 Superfortress 3,970
Short Stirling 2,383


The US lost 14,903 pilots, aircrew and support personnel plus13,873 airplanes ---inside the continental United States.

There were 52,651 aircraft accidents (6,039 involving fatalities) in 45 months. Average 1,170 aircraft accidents per month---- nearly 40 a day.

It gets worse.....
Almost 1,000 planes disappeared en route from the US to foreign climes.
But 43,581 aircraft were lost overseas including 22,948 on combat missions (18,418 in Europe ) and 20,633 due to non-combat causes overseas.

In a single 376 plane raid in August 1943, 60 B-17s were shot down.
That was a 16 percent loss rate and meant 600 empty bunks in England .

In 1942-43, it was statistically impossible for bomber crews to complete the intended 25-mission tour in Europe.

Pacific theatre losses were far less (4,530 in combat) owing to smaller forces committed.

The B-29 mission against Tokyo on May 25, 1945, cost 26 Superfortresses, 5.6 percent of the 464 dispatched from the Marianas

On average, 6,600 American servicemen died per month during WWII, about 220 a day.
Over 40,000 airmen were killed in combat and another 18,000 wounded.
Some 12,000 missing men were declared dead, including those "liberated" by the Soviets but never returned. More than 41,000 were captured.

Half of the 5,400 held by the Japanese died in captivity, compared with one-tenth in German hands.

Total combat casualties were 121,867.

The US forces peak strength was in 1944 with 2,372,000 personnel, nearly twice the previous year's figure.

Losses were huge---but so were production totals. From 1941 through 1945, American industry delivered more than 276,000 military aircraft.
That was not only for US Army, Navy and Marine Corps, but also for allies as diverse as Britain , Australia , China and Russia.

Our enemies took massive losses. Through much of 1944, the Luftwaffe sustained hemorrhaging of 25% of aircrews and 40 planes a month.

Experience Level:
Uncle Sam sent many men to war with minimum training. Some fighter pilots entered combat in 1942 with less than 1 hour in their assigned aircraft..
The 357th Fighter Group (The Yoxford Boys) went to England in late 1943 having trained on P-39s, then flew Mustangs. They never saw a Mustang until the first combat mission.

With the arrival of new aircraft, many units transitioned in combat.
The attitude was, "They all have a stick and a throttle. Go fly `em."

When the famed 4th Fighter Group converted from P-47s to P-51s in Feb 44, there was no time to stand down for an orderly transition.
The Group commander, Col. Donald Blakeslee, said, "You can learn to fly 51s on the way to the target".

A future P-47 ace said, "I was sent to England to die." Many bomber crews were still learning their trade.

Of Jimmy Doolittle's 15 pilots on the April 1942 Tokyo raid, only five had won their wings before 1941. All but one of the 16 co-pilots were less than a year out of flight school.

In WW2, safety took a back seat to combat.
The AAF's worst accident rate was recorded by the A-36 Invader version of the P-51: a staggering 274 accidents per 100,000 flying hours.
Next worst were the P-39 at 245, the P-40 at 188, and the P-38 at 139. All were Allison powered.

Bomber wrecks were fewer but more expensive.
The B-17 and B-24 averaged 30 and 35 accidents per 100,000 flight hours respectively
a horrific figure considering that from 1980 to 2000 the Air Force's major mishap rate was less than 2.

The B-29 was even worse at 40 per 100,000 hours; the world's most sophisticated, most capable
and most expensive bomber was too urgently needed to be able to stand down for mere safety reasons.

(Compare: when a $2.1 billion B-2 crashed in 2008, the Air Force declared a two-month "safety pause").

The B-29 was no better for maintenance. Although the R3350 was known as a complicated, troublesome power-plant, only half the mechanics had previous experience with it.

Navigators:
Perhaps the greatest success story concerned Navigators. The Army graduated some 50,000 during WW2.
Many had never flown out of sight of land before leaving "Uncle Sugar" for a war zone.
Yet they found their way across oceans and continents without getting lost or running out of fuel - a tribute to the AAF's training.

At its height in mid-1944, the USAAF had 2.6 million people and nearly 80,000 aircraft of all types.

Today the US Air Force employs 327,000 active personnel (plus 170,000 civilians) with 5,500+ manned and perhaps 200 unmanned aircraft.
That's about 12% of the manpower and 7% of the airplanes of the WW2 peak.

SUMMATION:
Another war like that of 1939-45 is doubtful, as fighters and bombers have given way to helicopters
and remotely-controlled drones, eg. over Afghanistan and Iraq .
But within our living memory, men left the earth in 1,000-plane formations and fought major battles five miles high, leaving a legacy that remains timeless.
 

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Its amazing what the United States was capable of years ago. With the wussification of America (Liberalism) I'm not sure we could do what we did in WW2. They truly were the greatest generation.
 

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No doubt WWII and Nam made OEF/OIF look like a backyard brawl.

Always have had an incredible type of respect for those vets. God bless!
 

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It's amazing my Grandfather was a Colonel, entered at 17, became a Fighter/Combat pilot, flew P-51's and also ran Bombing raids over Germany out of London, and somehow lived to tell the tale of his heroics in WWII for 30 years.

Then died of a heart attack smoking a cigar while reading the paper on the couch in 1976.

What's even more amazing is the now declassified documents I have accounting for all of his missions along with his personal journal he kept recounting all of the missions. He managed to survive it all, never being shot down once. Was an Ace pilot, awarded multiple medals, commanded men in Vietnam and Korea, and performed his duty flawlessly.

I think the thing that makes me admire men like him from that generation is his final act when he retired. Naturally he retired with honors and full benefits. When he went in to see his CO for the very last time, strapped to his side was the same Colt 1911 he was given when he first entered WWII. Instead of asking for his gun, the CO stated he should keep it as it would be valuable and he certainly earned to keep it.

My grandfather pulled it out of the holster, unloaded it, tossed it on the CO's desk and said "I don't want it. I'm tired of killing" and walked out.

True story
 

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Thats an insanely cool story bro.

Having some beers while talking to him must have been a helluva treat.

Please post something of his, as a remembrance to his accomplishments while in the service. We would all enjoy.
 

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Thats an insanely cool story bro.

Having some beers while talking to him must have been a helluva treat.

Please post something of his, as a remembrance to his accomplishments while in the service. We would all enjoy.

Definitely. I never got the chance to sit down and talk to him. I'm 27 and he had kids late in life. My mother (his daughter) was the last of the bunch. She was 13 when he passed. But for whatever reason my grandmother/mother funneled a lot of his belongings down to me when my Grandmother passed. I have his pilots wings and flight suit along with all of the paperwork.

I have a few photos of him flying. He always said his favorite was the P-51 as he was addicted to speed like me. In the last days of his service he was a test pilot for many of the early jets.
 

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Definitely. I never got the chance to sit down and talk to him. I'm 27 and he had kids late in life. My mother (his daughter) was the last of the bunch. She was 13 when he passed. But for whatever reason my grandmother/mother funneled a lot of his belongings down to me when my Grandmother passed. I have his pilots wings and flight suit along with all of the paperwork.

I have a few photos of him flying. He always said his favorite was the P-51 as he was addicted to speed like me. In the last days of his service he was a test pilot for many of the early jets.

Basically, your grandfather is an REAL superhero.

Sucks that you never got to meet him but at least "winning" is in your blood.
 

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Now you know why people of European origin are vanishing. It started in earnest with WW1 and WW2 - young people of European origin fighting each other. Not too distant cousins for the most part. How many millions of young people of European origin died - civilians and soldiers combined? I've read total estimates for WW2 alone at over 60 million dead. This includes Japanese and Chinese I believe.

The dumbest thing ever! What about the civil war in US? Lots more Europeans fighting each other. Dumb!

UK fought Germany only to now give it all away to the third world. Germany as well. What did all those young soldiers die for? Was it worth it only to have their homelands given away now and in the near future?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No.

They despise what has become of the Britain they once fought to save. It's not our country any more, they say, in sorrow and anger.

Sarah harks back to the days when 'people kept the laws and were polite and courteous. We didn't have much money, but we were contented and happy.

'People whistled and sang. There was still the United Kingdom, our country, which we had fought for, our freedom, democracy. But where is it now?!'

 

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