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  1. scott9050

    scott9050 Michelle Obama ia a Man Established Member

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    Shoot first, have your union protect you later.
     
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    yeah this is pretty bad man smh on another note, when do the protests start?...........no? no one is interested??? didn’t think so


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    Well, I'd agree that shooting the kid was not the answer, but why did the Mom call the cops? It wasn't domestic violence. Shitty situation that she should've been able to handle w/o the Police.
     
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    Do u have all the facts yet? U know absolutely NOTHING about this incident other than a child was shot! U think kids cant pull out weapons and shoot the Police? They have and they do.

    U have no idea what happened in that house. He could have charged them with a knife for all we know?

    U sound like CNN bro. Maybe u should wait till the FACTS come in before u start saying how disgusting this is smh.

    U know what's even more disgusting is ppl coming to FINAL conclusions about Police involved shootings when they have ZERO facts as to what actually transpired.
     
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  6. SolarYellow

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    Contrary to what the average person wants to believe, police are not psychiatrists and can not wave a magic de-escalation wand. With so very little to go on it's difficult to make any assertion except the fact of a 13 year old child with mental issues is NOT a baby as mom claims.

    Edit: Watch the interview with the mother. She sounds like the elevator doesn't go to the top floor.
     
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    Sad sorry, but thankfully the boy is alive. That said, we should wait for more CONFIRMED details.
     
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    As someone who has grown up with a family member suffering with severe mental health issues, shit can get out of hand. If my father, my brother, or I are around we can handle pretty much anything that comes up, but if its just my mother and an episode kicks off and crisis medication isnt an option, police are the only option. And there have been more than a few situations where my mother said she weighed the risk to herself against the risk of police coming because they are just not trained or equipped to deal with mental health crisis. If there was an emergency mental health line we could call in situations like that, we would. Unfortunately there isnt. So we live in a situation where my mother constantly has to chose from imperfect and dangerous options.
     
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    Yeah, way to many missing gaps in this story.

    But ya'll right, when we burning SLC down? I need some new Jordan's.
     
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    Police recovered no weapons.
     
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    was it this cop again?!

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    that was my immediate reaction when she was speaking. the apple did not fall far from that tree.

    i used to work with autistic teenagers. the kind that had to go to a special school. this one kid was huge. like 6'4" and he was scary. ran into him at gas station once. he was by himself just wandering the streets. he came up to me and got right in my face but thankfully was being nice. he could easily kick the shit out of me and had attacked other staff members before. i just kept thinking, this poor kid is going to get shot some day. ive seen them get pissed and charge straight at someone and attack.

    my ex is lapd and used to also work at the school with the same kids. she was put on a task force of crisis counselors that would go deal with situations like this in LA. your average person, and cop, has no idea how to deal with people/situations like this. if you dont know any better you would think they're hopped up on pcp or something. and they can have incredible strength.


    or maybe SLC cops are like honey badgers...

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  12. CobraKid04

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    I'm not commenting on the shooting, because I know nothing about it.

    Just for conversation, have you ever been in a fight with an autistic kid? (Don't know why u would have). They have superhuman strength.

    Hardest fight in uniform I ever had was with one. I was a hospital security officer, where they had a psychiatric center.

    Dude was 6'4 280+ pounds. I walked into the emergency room and a stretcher went flying across the room, I continue in to find this kids cornering a nurse in a room trying to catch her. I radio for help and go in before the nurse gets beat to hell.

    I was 22 at the time, extremely in shape and could hold my own.( Yes I know svt rules says I need to list my ht. Wt. Bench and dick length)

    We fought for several minutes and thank goodness my coworkers came, because I certainly didn't win, I just lasted long enough. Ended up with a broken nose and several bruises. Hardest fight I have been in. If I would have continued to lose and my backup didn't arrive, deadly force may have been necessary.... although we didn't carry weapons.

    Like I said, I'm not commenting on the shooting, but just because they are unarmed means very little.

    The officers and the suspects physical abilities are certainly factors in the application of deadly force. It's in my current departments policy (LEO).
     
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    As a father or two autistic boys I can relate. It is a fear that I have even without judging the police which they have a near impossible job to do. Our oldest boy is high functioning. He is the nicest person you would ever meet. He was able to graduate with a 3.0 gpa, has he license and a full time job. He drives himself to work every day. He never speeds or even listens to the radio when he drives because he doesn’t want the distraction. I do worry if he got pulled over that he would immediately reach over to the glove box and pull his information out. That is where things could get scary. We have purchased a sign that fits over his seat belt that rides close to his shoulder. Kind of a life alert that tells the officer that he is autistic and may not react normally or have trouble communicating. I just pray this never happens. I can see how an officer could mis-interpret so I don’t blame them either.

    Our youngest boy is much more severe. He would not understand the commands of a police officer. He is non verbal and 17. He can from time to time make loud and different sounds and wave his arms. He would resist if anyone tried to touch him or god forbid put handcuffs on him. He really only allows my wife and I to touch him. He is also a big kid and could be seen as a physical threat to the officer. Again you just pray he is never in a situation like that.

    I understand both sides and it isn’t easy for either one.
     
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    Damn, father shot by police Jan 2020, now son shot by police Sep 2020...

    That white privilege tho...
     
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    For someone with all the answers she (the boy's mother) could not control him yet she expects the police to do it?

    While I do have empathy for those with children suffering from mental issues, the parents need to be realistic. We have friends with an autistic and retarded and so many other problem(s) child and they honestly believe she can be treated as normally as other people AND they think everyone is understandable to the situation to the point where others will automatically excuse her behavior. She is thirteen with a mentality of three years old and that's as far as she will go. Dad believes she will live a normal life to the point of driving (impossible) and going to college and such. The kid is best described as Frankenstein's Monster on an ice skating rink with a balloon stuffed down her throat. She needs a home where people can give her the care she needs but the government pays for a TSS worker and a nurse who essentially babysits even if the parents are home. These people, like many others, just don't get it. One day we will receive a call saying she knocked the stuffing out of mom and honestly, I'll chuckle because they don't seem to understand reality.
     
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    Been attacked by a 240 pound double murderer in a pod with 31 other medium and close custody felony inmates. Can't really compare though as we could use any means necessary to protect ourselves while under attack.

    I believe you on that. My BIL works at a mental hospital in North Carolina and was attacked last week.

    Never good.

    Always. But even Tyson got knocked out once.

    6-4 280 versus maybe 125 pounds soaking wet, one on one versus multiple officers and a kid running away. True we do not know the entirety of the situation and I will reserve until then, but it sounds like the wrong info was relayed to the responding officers. I want to see the body cam footage.

    You were willing to mix it up. More and more we are seeing people get manhandled or not even trying. I am a large police supporter (see stage left) but one of my sore spots are situations that could be handled with softer hands so to speak. Example:

    Finally, justice for Ethan, man with Down Syndrome who died at hands of movie theater security | wusa9.com
     
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    Police training and hiring standards are pathetic. I couldn't agree more that verbal de-escalation needs to be the forefront of policing.

    Unfortunately, that takes a great deal of self confidence, patience and understanding on the officers part. Something that very very few officer posses.

    Edit: I sit around frequently, with fellow officers and try and figure a way to "fix" policing. Unfortunately, the police have been a one stop bandaid for society. We are called to everything and specialize in nothing.

    Been a LEO for almost 7 years now. I love the job, but the mountain of PC policy that has come out in the last 3 years is terrifying.
     
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    That 2020 though,..........
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    I predict the live streamers will be there tomorrow night.
     
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    family and friends in Europe are baffled at how quickly police in the US go through training and are handed a gun and a badge.
     
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