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  1. Rossim22

    Rossim22 New Member Established Member

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    I apologize if this is a repost but its worth being shown again. If you have a thing for astronomy you will love the following video. It's concerning the electric model of the universe and in turn actually simplifies everything. For instance:

    -Everything wasn't created out of nothing... no big bang.
    -Space isn't somehow expanding throughout the universe in between galaxies.. though they also collide with one another.
    -No dark matter or dark energy or black holes.
    -No nuclear furnace driving stars.
    -No "dirty snowball" comets circling the sun without melting.

    Please take the time to watch the video. It's very easy to understand and you'll be amazed how obvious the answers are. If everything in life and chemistry is governed by electrical charges, why wouldn't it govern the universe?


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    Thunderbolts Of The Gods - YouTube
     
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    wurd2 Bingo. Established Member

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    I am going to watch the video (or at least try) but this smacks of pseudoscience.

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    Ill watch it tomorrow but it reaks of gratuitous amounts of retardation, just going off the video title alone.
     
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    Ya, check out "Electric Universe" on YouTube by Chuck Missler, very interesting stuff.

    Things are much, much more simple than we realize. Leave it to mankind to overanalyze and confuse
     
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    well, Ill just go ahead and post it. Electric Universe Series, Chuck Missler. Here are some of his credentials for those calling it pseudoscience:


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  6. Rossim22

    Rossim22 New Member Established Member

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    No it honestly makes a lot of sense. They use thunderbolts of the gods because they relate how we just take the ancient cultures as stories and art but they're saying that electrical activity in between the earth and moon or other planets with cometary tails were the basis of many of their myths and why they obsessed with the sky.

    That is a little more ludacris than the electric universe model in general. Big bang just simply doesn't agree in the back of my mind and I think a lot of people would agree. Without red shift theory or "hubble constant" big bang has scarce support.
     
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    Talbot even admits his theories don't align with the Laws of Physics. The guy was a PoliSci/Education major. He's widely known for dictating neo-Velikovskian ideology (which should instantly discredit any "Scientific" theory he may have).

    Crack-pot science playing on some peoples love for mysticism and mythology.

    Unorthodox is an understatement. While I admire his enthusiasm there are several issues with his "theories". One being that he has no indication of formal education that would even begin to substantiate his claims. I'm far removed from the field of Astronomy BUT I can assure you this guy is simply attempting to pass off unsupported thoughts as theory.

    FYI Big Bang has not been coined the end all be all. It's a theory with substantiated evidence support from academia, just as the String theory (much smaller support).

    Perhaps someone with more knowledge in this area could chime in.

    Also, this video makes light of just how ridiculous this theory is. Read his book if really want to delve into Velikovskian thought. It's entertaining and very imaginative, but its nothing more than pseudoscience as someone else stated.
     
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    wurd2 Bingo. Established Member

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    If he does not have a doctorate in any of the scientific areas he is attempting to cast doubt upon, don't bother mentioning his background because none of it matters.

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    This again... Is it 2001? It doesn't strike anyone as odd that neither of the authors have advanced degrees in Theoretical Physics... or a Masters or PhD in any sort of high end mathmatics?

    David Talbott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dude has a Bachelors in Education and Political science... and some grad work in Urban Studies...

    Wal Thornhill - The Velikovsky Encyclopedia

    Dude got a degree/degrees in physics and electronics in Australia, and never finished post grad studies because of "the lack of curiosity and the frequent hostility toward his challenge to mainstream science convinced Thornhill to pursue an independent path outside academia."

    Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy: Challenges for Electric Universe 'Theorists'

    ^^^"The standard for physical models is that they produce numerical values in agreement with observations from well-understood, more fundamental principles. Yet the Electric Universe (EU) model produces no such values of solar wind or interplanetary magnetic field, values which we can compare to measurements from the many satellites flown from the orbit of Mercury to the heliopause. Why should the Electric Universe model be regarded as superior to the more standard model(s) when the standard models disagree at the few percent level, or at worst factor of a few, while EU produces no values for comparison at all?"
     
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    Like all religious agendas aimed at obscuring science, the electric universe is a pseudoscientific worldview that thrives within the ever shrinking gaps of our scientific knowledge. This is another way of saying the electric universe thrives in ignorance. When you have a REAL scientific theory, you can make RISKY and SPECIFIC predictions about the natural world that can be verified or falsified by the scientific method. And when you can do this, you can produce scientific research for PUBLICATION and SCRUTINY by other disinterested scientists passionately seeking to debunk your work. This is the PEER REVIEW process that eliminates bullshit.

    Until Chuck Missler and his scientific cohorts can produce a shred of evidence for the electric universe in the form of scientific publication for the peer review process, they literally have nothing beyond hype published on the web. This video is pseudoscientific nonsense set to music and pretentious camaraderie.

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    ^^^^From the link above

     
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    Dude, having a PhD is not the end all. Einstein didn't "earn" a doctorate, but was honorarily given them. Some of the smartest people on the face of the planet were self taught.
     
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    I watched the video and noted no OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for this ominous electrical source.

    Darwinian evolution doesn't work in the heads of at least half the United States population. And yet it occurs. The keyword here is EDUCATION.

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    Once you eliminate those scientists without doctorates, you can then further narrow them down to those that have ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTED to their respective fields of expertise (rare cases like Einstein get included here). Because there is so much nonsense out there, I have found that this is a great way to save time and avoid misinformation. I only watched this video because I was curious and bored.

    Einstein based his work on observation, much more so than is commonly thought (the whole "thought experiment" story is a myth). Science is us asking the questions and letting nature provide the answers. It is nature and careful observation that taught Einstein. He didn't just whip the stuff out of his ass like religious people do.

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    The BB theory has never said, suggested, or implied, that the universe came from nothing. That belief is nothing more than a popular layman misconception of current Cosmology.

    And I think with that I'll just stop right there.

    And that does not conflict with the Krauss video posted above me titled, "A universe from nothing." As anyone familiar with his talk, or his book, knows that when he says nothing he does not actually mean....nothing.
     
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    Are you serious? One of the many shows featuring neil degrasse tyson begins with "In the beginning there was nothing... then BANG" Also look at the problem we're having with quasars that are turning up connected with galaxies with red shifts FAR less than that of their own. In fact, the big bang was believed to be postulated to help support the creation theory.

    NGC7603 which mainstream says that none of the objects are influencing the others at all:
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    How could anyone ever know this?? Did you lift the skirt of every star to check for nuclear balls??
     
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    Exactly. You can't know it, therefore it leaves the possibility that a much simpler reason lies in truth. Why is the corona of the sun millions of degrees but the surface is only 6000 degrees if its being energized from the inside? Why does solar wind accelerate as it gets farther from the sun? Because it's being put in a magnetic field. What causes magnetic fields? Electric currents!

    I'm saying our knowledge of black holes, dark energy, dark matter, gravity etc are all true, they're just being misinterpreted as mathematical possibilities without a force being strong enough to dictate it. Why can one magnet render the gravitational force of the entire planet useless? Why wouldnt the same thing be playing a role in the creation of galaxies and solar systems?
     

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