The Demon is one bad machine and I still can't believe that people dislike it. OP's car came from the factory with drag tires, race gas tune, weight reduction, ect...it's still stock if you go from one drag radial to another imo. The next thing they will complain about is that it's not running on 87 octane at 9000'.
Problem is the CFTP doesnt come with the splitter installed so it wont be stock when getting its best lap timesI think it's simple
1. Demon is a badass fast car, and Dodge has continuously moved the benchmark
2. Not all of us consider HP/quarter times the sole criteria for the muscle car throne
3. Not that I really care personally about minor mods....but Demon owners that say "stock, showroom, OEM...etc" and then put M/T tires or similar for added traction and post a time to the internet...what do you expect from the internet warriors? These people want nothing more than to call you out for tires/a damn air filter/ a catback..... how about titling a video "stock with M/T's..." and avoiding this?!
Call me neutral it's bad ass to me the Demon is straight line king (at the moment), ZL1-1LE holds its own on the road track, and GT500 could be the best of both worlds.
I do but you have to have some ground rules so your comparing apple to apples. If not you just have some fools arguing on the internet.Last thing ill say about this dead horse is, you are too hung up on technicalities when you arent just taking the car for what it is.
Yea but you can not name another car on the planet that has a crate like the Demon, there are no oranges to compare it to. The FRPP catalogue is simply not the same thing in the slightest.I do but you have to have some ground rules so your comparing apple to apples. If not you just have some fools arguing on the internet.
So your position is because they aren't installed during shipping so they won't be damaged (But installed @dealer prior to sale) is that same? Cars aren't installed with locking lug nuts but put on at the dealer, so now every car sold is modified? Really? did you think this out before your wrote it?By your standards the ACR's lap times are all modified, the CFTP's official lap times (when we see them) will also be null and void, hope you are prepared to argue how those are stock lap times...
Thanks for answering any of my questions
I will answer yours
1.Not sure why this makes any determination. All manufacturers have an aftermarket division that sell and install parts that retains drive-line warranty.
2.Yes it's included but not installed. I see you ignore this.
3.Not sure why you think just because it exclusive that this helps your case. Yes it's included in a package, this has never been disputed. It being installed as stock is the issue.
4.Note 1. Again remind me how does this determine if it stock or not?
"Is a brand new ATV aftermarket because it's not street legal?" Just because it's not street legal doesn't make it aftermarket. It's not street legal because it doesn't meet the safety/emissions requirements to be on the street. I don't make the rules and am not trying to twist them to make something fit. Aftermarket is just that its sold and installed after the sale of the vehicle. Dodge even says it's aftermarket.
Facts are Facts
Dodge says it's aftermarket
Parts ain't installed until after the car is sold.
Parts aren't street legal
Dodge did this so they can sell the car with a VIN and get these performance/track parts to the customer. This is a brilliant idea and out of the box thinking. I tip my hat but that still doesn't change one is the showroom stock car w/o the crate parts and one is a non-stock car with the crate parts that runs at the track.
I'm from the camp that show room stock includes tires and all. Drive it off the showroom, fill it up and run it. Once you start changing things all bets are off.
So your position is because they aren't installed during shipping so they won't be damaged (But installed @dealer prior to sale) is that same? Cars aren't installed with locking lug nuts but put on at the dealer, so now every car sold is modified? Really? did you think this out before your wrote it?
Valid pointProblem is the CFTP doesnt come with the splitter installed so it wont be stock when getting its best lap times
Easy answer. Modified. Not stock.What if you bought a car that from the factory, came with a pre-installed aftermarket exhaust, like Borla.
You decide that you don't like the sound, and change it for a different brand, but, same exhaust and function.
Does that mean you modified the car or is it still considered "stock" ?
It's not like the OP went from a DR to a Slick. He literally changed brand tires and ran in insane DA.
Generally, you can ask a few simple (pun intended) questions to determine factory/OEM vs. aftermarket parts:
1. Is the part made by the same manufacturer (or a subsidiary)?
2. Is it included in the purchase price of the new vehicle?
3. Is the part available at any dealership?
4. Does the vehicle's factory warranty remain intact at all dealerships?
You're arguing about emissions and street legality. Is a brand new ATV aftermarket because it's not street legal? (now you see how dumb that sounds to the rest of us)
2. No , as you have to contact dodge in order to get the crate package
3. No, same as above
the ironic part of all this is when the GT500s hit the streets, some will inevitably get run at the track with race fuel/tune and bigs n littles. If the times rival or beat the demons it will be hell to pay because the GT500s arent "stock" anymore. LOL
once pandora's box has been opened, it cant be closed again