By this logic then a mustang GT with a dealer installed ford racing TVS or whipple kit is stock too. They were specifically engineered for the car, included in the invoice and installed at a ford authorized dealer.
My demon goes 9.8 .....stock.......
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By this logic then a mustang GT with a dealer installed ford racing TVS or whipple kit is stock too. They were specifically engineered for the car, included in the invoice and installed at a ford authorized dealer.
Wrong. Those cars are not intended to have that stuff off the line, that stuff is an afterthought. And you are not paying for it from the factory. Demon crate is paid for through the factory order from day 1 and was designed into the car from day 1.
You literally can not buy the Demon without paying for the crate. If you are stupid enough to not check the box and pick it up then you are a 1st class moron.
Its a loophole, and thats all it is
Ford should do the same an offer a drag pack box for the GT500. Bigs n littles and a race tuned ECU for E85. Then it will be stock vs stock. My money says it will be a drivers race with the 2 cars on equal terms.
Yes and so should chevy.
that'll never happen
I love how dodge found a way around the system. Hopefully they can continue that.
Unfortunately you are wrong about being factory stock. In order for it to be factory stock it has to be legally able to sell off the show room floor in that condition. Because legally it can not be sold with crate parts installed already it changes what you can consider stock. Also in the supplement manual from dodge themselves say its aftermarket.
. This exclusive aftermarket kit which includes a crate with a serialized name plate specific to each Challenger SRT Demon leaving no doubt that it is created for one person, one car, one purpose - to go fast, giving you every- thing you need for a day at the track and a convenient way to get it there. This aftermarket kit is only available to new Challenger SRT Demon customers and can be purchased by calling the SRT Concierge line at 800-998-1110 . For your convenience, the aftermarket kit will be delivered to your home and supports your factory vehicle warranty when installed by an authorized dealer.
They refer to it as aftermarket, but then go on to say its covered under warranty as well...
I have a question here. Does anyone know if the Demon, if run in an NHRA Stock class, is allowed to run the crate PCM? Are there 2 different HP categories for Demons, with and without?
I reeeeaaaallly dont care about the semantics. Its oem and Dodge designed it for the crate parts priority 1 and bolted the nittos up front and a pump gas tune after with 100% warranty. You anti crate people can argue the technicalities till you are blue in the face but all I see is jelousy.
My understanding is they cant compete in the stock class. Maybe someone else has some other information stating otherwise.
Im sorry that your understanding of dodge own supplement say otherwise. Call it what you want but if the manufacturer and maker of the car say its aftermarket, then its aftermarket plain and simple. I cant understand why people want to argue the facts. Maybe it's jealousy.
I don’t think the demon fits in any particular box.
Fact is, it’s so different from anything ever done by any manufacturer that it creates discussions like this.
Has new car warranty, runs 9’s, comes with factory/aftermarket hop ups, pretty damn cool in my book.
I only wish the others would follow.
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Fact is, it’s so different from anything ever done by any manufacturer that it creates discussions like this.
Has new car warranty, runs 9’s, comes with factory/aftermarket hop ups, pretty damn cool in my book.
I only wish the others would follow.
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Im sorry that you dont understand they say that for legal reasons only. Boggles my mind how any true car guy can argue that, but I know its because YOUR brand didnt do it. Around and around we go.
I agree, dodge was the only one brave enough to even give us an option like this. They have lead the HP/TQ and 1/4 wars last few years.
So we are finally on the same page. ITS aftermarket and not stock. Glad we have finally got you there.
Why wouldn't i want to be brand loyalty?
Being brand loyal doesnt change that the crate package is aftermarket.
By technicality.... if you want to stick your head in the sand and not agree that the Demon was designed from the ground up on 100octane and skinnys with a full factory warranty then that is your problem, i really dont care, Ill never own a Demon regardless but dodge did it right.
I would bet everything that if Ford announced one you'd be back pedaling
The fact that the demon is covered by a factory backed warranty even when taken to the track is enough for me to say yes it’s in fact a stock set up.
I wish Ford and Chevy would do it. Also this is funny because from the sound of it the OP has a GT500 on order so while everyone else is throwing stones about which is better and why, he will actually own both.
I wish Ford and Chevy would do it. Also this is funny because from the sound of it the OP has a GT500 on order so while everyone else is throwing stones about which is better and why, he will actually own both.
I have no doubt that the car was designed with these parts in mind. But as you said they can't legally sell the car in that form and get certified as street legal(Safety, emissions etc...) they sell the parts that you ADD after you get the car. This is the issue. Can you take the car and get it certified with the parts on it? Dodge even states these are aftermarket so they don't get sued. These parts are for track only and are not DOT approved. I understand that Dodge did a work around and got these to market. I'm impressed with the times these car run. The issue is people don't take what left the showroom floor and talk about those times. It always discussed about the elapsed times AFTER you add the CRATE PARTS. This doesn't have to do with me being brand loyal, or a hater, or jealous it just doesn't pass the sniff test.
And to discuss warranty you can go get a recommended blower installed at any Ford dealer and it comes with a warranty including drive-train. Would you says that stock? of course not.
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