But if someone tells you to leave their property, and in so breaking that agreement, then it is automatically a legal issue and police and the courts need to be involved. Fighting the other parent isn't going to help your case, just jeopardize it.
Manslaughter or self-defense??
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But if someone tells you to leave their property, and in so breaking that agreement, then it is automatically a legal issue and police and the courts need to be involved. Fighting the other parent isn't going to help your case, just jeopardize it.
I remember the Joe Horn case where the grand jury refused to true bill him for shooting and killing a pair of burglar’s on his lawn who broke into his neighbor’s house that he went and confronted.
The thing to remember here is the step-father is at his home, he has no duty to retreat and he can defend his home with a gun if he chooses, even if you or anyone else doesn’t think it was necessary.
I’m not sure what was with firing the warning shot at his feet. But once the other guy tried to take the firearm that was it. I’m curious to see what happens with this, but I’d bet no charges will be filed.
Some random thoughts:
1. Reed wasn't some intruder. He is a known acquintance.
2. Who knows what happened or what was said prior to filming.
3. Was the shooters life in danger prior to him "standing his ground". I'm leanding towards no.
4. Reed was an idiot for not leaving when the other guy came out with a gun. Too much pride there or some shit. Could of used that to his advantage in the court system in regards to custody.
5. Felt like the gunowner found a good excuse to kill Reed.
6. Both sides should of difused the situation. Called 911 to remove the father/to get the son for custody.
1. Reed wasn't some intruder. He is a known acquintance.
2. Who knows what happened or what was said prior to filming.
3. Was the shooters life in danger prior to him "standing his ground". I'm leanding towards no.
4. Reed was an idiot for not leaving when the other guy came out with a gun. Too much pride there or some shit. Could of used that to his advantage in the court system in regards to custody.
5. Felt like the gunowner found a good excuse to kill Reed.
6. Both sides should of difused the situation. Called 911 to remove the father/to get the son for custody.
His last name spelling is actually Read. I agree he was not some random dude. He was the father of the ex-wife's children and had a legitimate reason to be there.
Bringing out a gun and shooting him after he was justifiably upset about them jerking him around with his visitation rights was completely inappropriate and unnecessary. A simple apology and correction of the problem would have probably sufficed to diffuse the situation. This guy and the ex-wife should serve some prison time IMO.
Read made a big mistake though to grab the gun. But he was clearly not thinking straight after being enraged by the whole situation. Who doesn't lose their cool when jerked around by someone else?
The children will probably despise the ex and the shooter, who's still married to a judge btw, for the rest of their lives. Was the ex-wife the shooter's mistress? The whole thing is a bit unclear at this point.
you sound like a leftist democuck.... making apologies for the biggest offender....
everything that was going on before became totally irrelevant the moment he assaulted the home owner while trying disarm him.... lol
But honestly the father’s reaction is something I feel like we are seeing in many aspects of society. Like an “I dare you”. He had to know he had the potential of being shot and wanted to see if he could push the envelope. I feel like a good portion of people almost dare people to react to them. Whether it be asshole drivers, people who think they are billy badass, criminals, etc… like people are daring others to hit them in some way shape or form.
I think CoVid Derangement Syndrome is the new Trump Derangement Syndrome.
The problem is, this is one of those cases where laws are all that matters. Just like someone could say Kyle was an idiot for open carrying a AR, it seems that was legal.
From comments elsewhere regarding this case, I've seen it said that brandishing a weapon on your own property is legal. So he can be stupid for going and getting the gun, but it's legal.
The twink was a pussy for running to get his gun when there were no signs of the dead guy getting physical. I am guessing he is going to have to watch his back from now on.
dont really give a shit about either guy there.... don’t know enough details to care... maybe the dad was a stellar fellow... or maybe he was a bully... all I know is who had the biggest lapse in judgement, which was paid for with his life.
Did he shoot him in the back?
Never said it did. Said it could have turned into this situation real quick.
Its tough, irresponsible decisions that cost a life on both parts. That man brought out lethal force when that man didnt actually show any real hostility, he feels like he was posturing. The bigger guy, he tried to call that bluff and continued to get hostile with the smaller man... if he didn't think it was a bluff he would have tried to gain control of the weapon, instead he just barked at him and got rowdy.
The confrontation escalated and when the bigger man grabbed the weapon he kind of asked for it. Its really tough because he is an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion, nobody needed to die. I'd like to see him pauy, but I'm also afraid of the message it sends if he does... at the end of the day, big dude tried to call his bluff and that is what got him shot. He played a stupid game with a stupid man and got the stupid prize. Shooter reluctantly walks in my book.
The confrontation escalated and when the bigger man grabbed the weapon he kind of asked for it. Its really tough because he is an irresponsible gun owner in my opinion, nobody needed to die. I'd like to see him pauy, but I'm also afraid of the message it sends if he does... at the end of the day, big dude tried to call his bluff and that is what got him shot. He played a stupid game with a stupid man and got the stupid prize. Shooter reluctantly walks in my book.
Yes agreed. This will also be a lesson for others. If someone brings a gun out leave!
A whole lot of dumb in this situation. But the most disturbing part for me was how the new wife of the father never really changed emotion in her voice while her husband was being fired upon and bleeding out. No yells or cries. No begging to stop. Just a steady video and blaming the whole incident on the boyfriend.
When someone has a gun, don’t try and attack them. So the dead guy is an idiot and it is good that he is dead.
The shooter broke contact and returned with a gun and used it to violate a court order (transfer of children at a certain time). So he is an idiot, but it would be better if he was dead too.
The wife was using the children as weapons to hurt her ex. So she is an idiot and, yep, you guessed it, it would be better if she was dead.
Come on Karma, you are only one for three, do the right thing and make this a clean sweep.
The shooter broke contact and returned with a gun and used it to violate a court order (transfer of children at a certain time). So he is an idiot, but it would be better if he was dead too.
The wife was using the children as weapons to hurt her ex. So she is an idiot and, yep, you guessed it, it would be better if she was dead.
Come on Karma, you are only one for three, do the right thing and make this a clean sweep.
Agreed.
Almost felt staged when that happened. The smaller guy waiving his finger, no change in voice from the wife/screaming etc.
Just something to the effect of "I got that on camera" and telling someone else to call 911
Maybe the dude had a nice life insurance payout?
Yep. Same thing I thought... no emotion what so ever from neither one of the females. Guy, I expect it from. No shits given. But from the females, that was really odd.
The only thing I can think of is the woman being too dumb/ignorant to realize the seriousness of what just had happened....
but no, I think maybe old boy was not going to really be missed by either of them.
Don’t know the back story and don’t really care. From the video, looked like SD to me. Dad should of bounced when he found out his kids were not there and handle it through the court.
Side note: If you are going to grab someones gun, don’t let go and assume that its a fight to death and should be treated as such. Dad passively grabbed the gun which is why he is dead. That and ego.
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Side note: If you are going to grab someones gun, don’t let go and assume that its a fight to death and should be treated as such. Dad passively grabbed the gun which is why he is dead. That and ego.
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