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<blockquote data-quote="SecondhandSnake" data-source="post: 16777583" data-attributes="member: 116684"><p>I'm in the alternative fuels space for work and actively involved in these different energy types, so here's my two cents-</p><p></p><p>Diesel won't be viable just plain due to emissions. NOx and CO2 limits are just so low it's impossible to meet (and very much by design.) Gasoline isn't far behind- it will probably last another 2-5 years after. (Note this is focusing on CARB based markets, who effectively dictate the rest of the country in most cases.)</p><p></p><p>I understand Hydrogen FC is supposed to be the "future" for OTR operations while everything else is supposed to go to electric, but right now it's just that- the future. We are years and years off from enough hydrogen infrastructure, and we're already struggling with electric of just passenger applications. Realistically we should follow a more organic growth model with the light duty, low GVW applications going electric first and letting infrastructure expand up the chain. But we've legislated ourselves into a corner and it's going to be painful.</p><p></p><p>Biofuels are interesting, but the EPA is not interested. There's stuff like biomethane that's effectively carbon neutral if not negative. Other biofuels, like algae based stuff that's basically neutral. And of course good old ethanol that's just lower intensity. But they still group them as "fossil fuels" and treat them as such. The regulation of tailpipe and production emissions really means that electric/fuel cell is the only way to meet it- paired with their goal of 100% renewables.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SecondhandSnake, post: 16777583, member: 116684"] I'm in the alternative fuels space for work and actively involved in these different energy types, so here's my two cents- Diesel won't be viable just plain due to emissions. NOx and CO2 limits are just so low it's impossible to meet (and very much by design.) Gasoline isn't far behind- it will probably last another 2-5 years after. (Note this is focusing on CARB based markets, who effectively dictate the rest of the country in most cases.) I understand Hydrogen FC is supposed to be the "future" for OTR operations while everything else is supposed to go to electric, but right now it's just that- the future. We are years and years off from enough hydrogen infrastructure, and we're already struggling with electric of just passenger applications. Realistically we should follow a more organic growth model with the light duty, low GVW applications going electric first and letting infrastructure expand up the chain. But we've legislated ourselves into a corner and it's going to be painful. Biofuels are interesting, but the EPA is not interested. There's stuff like biomethane that's effectively carbon neutral if not negative. Other biofuels, like algae based stuff that's basically neutral. And of course good old ethanol that's just lower intensity. But they still group them as "fossil fuels" and treat them as such. The regulation of tailpipe and production emissions really means that electric/fuel cell is the only way to meet it- paired with their goal of 100% renewables. [/QUOTE]
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