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I love my J&S Vampire!!!
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<blockquote data-quote="Smokin04" data-source="post: 11788743" data-attributes="member: 25962"><p>Actually, no. I haven't used the vacuum port in my application. I wouldn't get much use out of the feature because my cams prevent me from seeing less than 6 psi very seldomly. Yes while cruising I'm at roughly 10-12 inches, but any hills or throttle touch immediately drop it to below 6...so I decided to not run it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I understand what you're saying. But the Vampire is not used like that. It's designed to detect knock and retard timing. Your tuner should not have 50* of timing in the tune just because the Vampire can pull 20*. The Vampire shows you at what REAL WORLD levels of boost and timing your octane limits you to. A tuner can finally see a real knock threshold and tune right up to the octane limit...not over it. To use the Vampire to "control timing" above the knock limit is not what it's there for. The last sentence in your above quote is dead nuts right. The difference is, <strong>WITHOUT </strong>the Vampire you would never know that your engine doesn't knock at 20 psi and 20* of timing...you tuner can only ASSUME it will and never allow it to see where the knock <strong>ACTUALLY</strong> occurs at. In other words, your tuner is tuning blind or just guessing...or hoping that the extra degree he just gave you doesn't kill your engine. And depsite what they say...NO TUNER knows where the knock limit of 50 different engines are...they rely on experience (and experiences of others) to get a ballpark boost/timing/octane target and use a dyno to verify safety. With the Vampire...that sh*t is obsolete. You get the FULL OUTPUT of YOUR engine WITH the piece of mind knowing it'll will never detonate apart.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Slow, I really think you're head is ALMOST in the right place. It's not intended to operate full time on a tune that is knocking or way too aggressive from the git go. It's designed to show you the knock, allow the tuner to tune right up to it, and it's always there in case of a whoops. It allows the end user to always operate at maximum SAFE power and prevent catastrophy at the same time. It really doesn't get any better.:rockon:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Smokin04, post: 11788743, member: 25962"] Actually, no. I haven't used the vacuum port in my application. I wouldn't get much use out of the feature because my cams prevent me from seeing less than 6 psi very seldomly. Yes while cruising I'm at roughly 10-12 inches, but any hills or throttle touch immediately drop it to below 6...so I decided to not run it. I understand what you're saying. But the Vampire is not used like that. It's designed to detect knock and retard timing. Your tuner should not have 50* of timing in the tune just because the Vampire can pull 20*. The Vampire shows you at what REAL WORLD levels of boost and timing your octane limits you to. A tuner can finally see a real knock threshold and tune right up to the octane limit...not over it. To use the Vampire to "control timing" above the knock limit is not what it's there for. The last sentence in your above quote is dead nuts right. The difference is, [B]WITHOUT [/B]the Vampire you would never know that your engine doesn't knock at 20 psi and 20* of timing...you tuner can only ASSUME it will and never allow it to see where the knock [B]ACTUALLY[/B] occurs at. In other words, your tuner is tuning blind or just guessing...or hoping that the extra degree he just gave you doesn't kill your engine. And depsite what they say...NO TUNER knows where the knock limit of 50 different engines are...they rely on experience (and experiences of others) to get a ballpark boost/timing/octane target and use a dyno to verify safety. With the Vampire...that sh*t is obsolete. You get the FULL OUTPUT of YOUR engine WITH the piece of mind knowing it'll will never detonate apart. Slow, I really think you're head is ALMOST in the right place. It's not intended to operate full time on a tune that is knocking or way too aggressive from the git go. It's designed to show you the knock, allow the tuner to tune right up to it, and it's always there in case of a whoops. It allows the end user to always operate at maximum SAFE power and prevent catastrophy at the same time. It really doesn't get any better.:rockon: [/QUOTE]
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