Guesses on performance numbers by trim

[blk02edge]

Based on this info the 1/4 mile & mph should be?

Not sure what it means for 1/4 mile but that is .4 sec slower than a P100D and .2 faster than the new 500hp NSX which runs an 11.3@123mph
675LT 9.3
2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S 9.7
Audi R8 V10 Plus 10
McLaren 570S 10.1
Tesla Model S P100D 10.2
Acura NSX 10.9

 

[Grey03]

gone now did some one archive it or screen shot it?

Look a couple posts up. I linked it to mustang6g.com. Someone posted it there.

 

[LostM]

1 2016 McLaren 675LT 9.3 2,993
2 2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S 9.7 3,557
3 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus 10 3,642
4 2016 McLaren 570S 10.1 3,188
5 2017 Tesla Model S P100D 10.2 4,891
6 2017 Acura NSX 10.9 3,876
7 2016 Mercedes-AMG GT S 10.9 3,698
8 2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 11.1 3,926
9 2016 Dodge Viper ACR 11.1 3,379
10 2017 Nissan GT-R (Premium) 11.3 3,936
11 2017 Porsche 911 Carrera S 11.7 3,353
12 2017 Aston Martin DB11 12.1 4,194
13 2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (8A) 12.2 3,479
14 2017 Jaguar F-Type SVR 12.2 3980
15 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio 12.3 3,749
16 2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (7M) 12.4 3,464
17 2016 BMW M4 GTS 12.5 3,605
18 2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R 12.5 3,711
19 2016 BMW M3 (Competition pack) 12.9 3,646
20 2017 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE 13.1 3,735

 

[gimmie11s]

Based on this info the 1/4 mile & mph should be?

high 10s/low 11s at bottom 130s or high 120s.

 

[svt662]

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[gimmie11s]

I think you are right on the $$$

Shes gonna be impressive for sure.

Im just afraid it'll also be very --cough--portly.

 

[svt662]

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[LostM]

mid-high 10s, low 130mph

 

[GTSpartan]

high 10s/low 11s at bottom 130s or high 120s.

Bingo!

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Not sure what it means for 1/4 mile but that is .4 sec slower than a P100D and .2 faster than the new 500hp NSX which runs an 11.3@123mph
675LT 9.3
2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S 9.7
Audi R8 V10 Plus 10
McLaren 570S 10.1
Tesla Model S P100D 10.2
Acura NSX 10.9

That’s all awd Cars. The gt500 is rwd with a known 3.5 0-60.

Take into account the gt500 is literally 1.3 full seconds slower to 60 miles per hour than the Tesla. 10.8@125 with 2.275 0-60 as per motortrend. Yet, it closes the rest of that gap to .4 seconds behind in just the remaining 60-100-0. Against a 790hp 125mph car.... it CLOSED the gap. This to me verifies the gt500 traps well over high 120’s and into almost mid 130’s. How else do you close .6 seconds? Braking? Maybe it’s got .3 in braking on a p100d... maybe. That leaves .3 seconds 60-100mph on an all electric high torque 791hp rocket ship accelerating hard...

Let’s go back to gas vs gas/(tiny electric)

Compare it to the 573hp* (500hp... nice slip there) 3800lbs ‘17 nsx.

This means the nsx is about .4 faster to 60mph.

11.3@125 means the gt500 is Waaaay higher than high 120’s. You don’t recoup 4/10th and then put .575 seconds on an 11.25 car in a 1/4 mile with 3mph on top. No way period. Anyone who’s been to a track day knows this. You need minimum 7 to honestly about 10mph to do that. You don’t catch 3 cars and put 3 cars with 3mph at the trap.

To reiterate more clearly, this means the gt500 (assuming a 10.75 1/4) recoups that .4 loss to 60mph, and reaches the quarter mile some .575 seconds ahead of the nsx. I get 133-134mph needed to do that on paper. It’s about the same difference as a gt350 vs a c43amg-4matic. Example

#######example:
Gt350 ran 12.4@118 (source caranddriver identical time new and at 40k miles)
2017 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 – 40,000 Mile Evaluation

2017 C43amg-4matic ran 0-60 in 4.1 and 12.7@110 1/4.

Obviously not a perfect comparison but you get idea. The c43 leaves the gt350 hard 0-40, but the gt350 comes back around it HARD. I’ve personally seen this almost exact race in person (320awhp 2014 sti vs gt350 from a dig) and it was 3+ cars to the gt350 by ~1/4 mile. The c43 is about the closest awd magazine test car I could think of
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Back to the NSX, 70-0 is 142ft... so braking is about as good as it gets. The gt500 didn’t win much there I bet. Maybe what, 70-0 in 139ft? .1s? I highly doubt any of the time is from braking seeing it’s about 300lbs heavier. Yes it has 16” brakes and 500lbs of downforce, but braking is much shorter than accelerating time wise. It takes much less time to stop from 100mph in most any car than it does to reach 100mph. It’s about 3/1 of the time spent is acceleration.

Soooooo.... the gt500 rolls out.

If that’s too much analysis, don’t bother telling me because I don’t care that you can’t understand it. I do, and I can say this thing will be almost 135 trap speed fast. 132-134 is my calculated guess based on what I can work with here.

 

[blk02edge]

That’s all awd Cars. The gt500 is rwd with a known 3.5 0-60.

Take into account the gt500 is literally 1.3 full seconds slower to 60 miles per hour than the Tesla. 10.8@125 with 2.275 0-60 as per motortrend. Yet, it closes the rest of that gap to .4 seconds behind in just the remaining 60-100-0. Against a 790hp 125mph car.... it CLOSED the gap. This to me verifies the gt500 traps well over high 120’s and into almost mid 130’s. How else do you close .6 seconds? Braking? Maybe it’s got .3 in braking on a p100d... maybe. That leaves .3 seconds 60-100mph on an all electric high torque 791hp rocket ship accelerating hard...

Let’s go back to gas vs gas/(tiny electric)

Compare it to the 573hp* (500hp... nice slip there) 3800lbs ‘17 nsx.

View attachment 1590668

This means the nsx is about .4 faster to 60mph.

View attachment 1590669
11.3@125 means the gt500 is Waaaay higher than high 120’s. You don’t recoup 4/10th and then put .575 seconds on an 11.25 car in a 1/4 mile with 3mph on top. No way period. Anyone who’s been to a track day knows this. You need minimum 7 to honestly about 10mph to do that. You don’t catch 3 cars and put 3 cars with 3mph at the trap.

To reiterate more clearly, this means the gt500 (assuming a 10.75 1/4) recoups that .4 loss to 60mph, and reaches the quarter mile some .575 seconds ahead of the nsx. I get 133-134mph needed to do that on paper. It’s about the same difference as a gt350 vs a c43amg-4matic. Example

#######example:
Gt350 ran 12.4@118 (source caranddriver identical time new and at 40k miles)
2017 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 – 40,000 Mile Evaluation

2017 C43amg-4matic ran 0-60 in 4.1 and 12.7@110 1/4.

Obviously not a perfect comparison but you get idea. The c43 leaves the gt350 hard 0-40, but the gt350 comes back around it HARD. I’ve personally seen this almost exact race in person (320awhp 2014 sti vs gt350 from a dig) and it was 3+ cars to the gt350 by ~1/4 mile. The c43 is about the closest awd magazine test car I could think of
########end.

Back to the NSX, 70-0 is 142ft... so braking is about as good as it gets. The gt500 didn’t win much there I bet. Maybe what, 70-0 in 139ft? .1s? I highly doubt any of the time is from braking seeing it’s about 300lbs heavier. Yes it has 16” brakes and 500lbs of downforce, but braking is much shorter than accelerating time wise. It takes much less time to stop from 100mph in most any car than it does to reach 100mph. It’s about 3/1 of the time spent is acceleration.

Soooooo.... the gt500 rolls out.

If that’s too much analysis, don’t bother telling me because I don’t care that you can’t understand it. I do, and I can say this thing will be almost 135 trap speed fast. 132-134 is my calculated guess based on what I can work with here.

I quoted 500hp because thats what I read on a brief search. I didnt in any way mean to imply that those cars would be faster... We were told to expect average drivers to run high 10's with hero runs of mid to low 10's from a legit source so thats roughly what I excpect to see.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

134mph trap speed 2018 10a gt 716whp, 4050lbs. Roughly .175s shifts. 5 or 6 of them no less...

The gt500 according to that press release deal today has .08s shifts. The 716whp 10a car shifted 5 or 6 damn times in that race and ran 134mph. It hit 7th gear if you listen but for sure 6th in the 1/4, maybe 7th just after.

The gt500 will be in 4th gear so 3 shifts at .08 vs 5 or 6 at .175s. That right there is minimum .24s gt500 vs .875 to 1.05 for that 10a car of shift time. Anybody who’s raced a high power car knows you don’t want to shift 5-6 times in a ****ing quarter mile with 700whp even with a damn dct and super fast shift speeds. There’s just no damn point. Put this 7spd dct in that 18 5.0 and it would probably run 142mph in 4th gear. Hell, a damn th400 built 3spd with a 4.56 rear would probably hit 139/140.

Here’s that gt’s Dyno.

Losing almost 1 second of acceleration just so you can keep it boiling from 6700-7500rpm is a losing trade when you have 600whp from 5200. 600-700whp powerband will put a 4000lbs car well into the 130mph territory. Many terminator convertibles and trinity convertibles with driver mod are proof of this.

Bottom line, I’m sticking with 132-134 trap speed for the gt500.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I quoted 500hp because thats what I read on a brief search. I didnt in any way mean to imply that those cars would be faster... We were told to expect average drivers to run high 10's with hero runs of mid to low 10's from a legit source so thats roughly what I excpect to see.

Word, ya it’s 500hp v6 with 73hp electric motors to the front tires.

 

[Serpent]

Based on this info the 1/4 mile & mph should be?

I don't know it's in very good company. That DCT and the biggest brakes on a non-hypercar coupe are what achieved that insane time. 0-100mph and back to 0 (stand still) in 10.6!!!!

 

[Serpent]

134mph trap speed 2018 10a gt 716whp, 4050lbs. Roughly .175s shifts. 5 or 6 of them no less...

The gt500 according to that press release deal today has .08s shifts. The 716whp 10a car shifted 5 or 6 damn times in that race and ran 134mph. It hit 7th gear if you listen but for sure 6th in the 1/4, maybe 7th just after.

The gt500 will be in 4th gear so 3 shifts at .08 vs 5 or 6 at .175s. That right there is minimum .24s gt500 vs .875 to 1.05 for that 10a car of shift time. Anybody who’s raced a high power car knows you don’t want to shift 5-6 times in a ****ing quarter mile with 700whp even with a damn dct and super fast shift speeds. There’s just no damn point. Put this 7spd dct in that 18 5.0 and it would probably run 142mph in 4th gear. Hell, a damn th400 built 3spd with a 4.56 rear would probably hit 139/140.

Here’s that gt’s Dyno.View attachment 1590675
Losing almost 1 second of acceleration just so you can keep it boiling from 6700-7500rpm is a losing trade when you have 600whp from 5200. 600-700whp powerband will put a 4000lbs car well into the 130mph territory. Many terminator convertibles and trinity convertibles with driver mod are proof of this.

Bottom line, I’m sticking with 132-134 trap speed for the gt500.

This post is meaningless, they may be both mustangs, but the gt500 is running carbon wheels. What are the wheels on the gt?

Two different cars. Different engine, transmission, driveshaft, brake setup (yes that matters), and wheels.

I'm with you on the new gt500 trapping over 130mph tho. 135 and up would be glorious. Like I said before, if this car can beat the new zr1 in the 1/4, that would be funny AF!!

 

[svt662]

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[svt662]

I Really think that is time for Ford to put all the Numbers Ect. On the table..... This is getting old real quick! For needs a Big Kick in the you know what..

 

[gimmie11s]

134mph trap speed 2018 10a gt 716whp, 4050lbs. Roughly .175s shifts. 5 or 6 of them no less...

The gt500 according to that press release deal today has .08s shifts. The 716whp 10a car shifted 5 or 6 damn times in that race and ran 134mph. It hit 7th gear if you listen but for sure 6th in the 1/4, maybe 7th just after.

The gt500 will be in 4th gear so 3 shifts at .08 vs 5 or 6 at .175s. That right there is minimum .24s gt500 vs .875 to 1.05 for that 10a car of shift time. Anybody who’s raced a high power car knows you don’t want to shift 5-6 times in a ****ing quarter mile with 700whp even with a damn dct and super fast shift speeds. There’s just no damn point. Put this 7spd dct in that 18 5.0 and it would probably run 142mph in 4th gear. Hell, a damn th400 built 3spd with a 4.56 rear would probably hit 139/140.

Here’s that gt’s Dyno.View attachment 1590675
Losing almost 1 second of acceleration just so you can keep it boiling from 6700-7500rpm is a losing trade when you have 600whp from 5200. 600-700whp powerband will put a 4000lbs car well into the 130mph territory. Many terminator convertibles and trinity convertibles with driver mod are proof of this.

Bottom line, I’m sticking with 132-134 trap speed for the gt500.

The 10a is the reason the 18+ GT runs high 11s at near 120 mph in bone stock form vs the 15-17 cars that are lucky to run a mid to high 12 at 110 or so.

There is only a 25 hp difference between the two.

10a keeps the car in the meat of the power band throughout the whole pass.

Obviously there is a point of diminishing returns with all of this and that point is usually when FI is introduced.

However, the new 500 will not trap high 130s or become some super hero over-performer simply because of a faster shifting trans with less shifts. That fast shifting 7 speed is going to unfortunately keep the 500 out of the power band longer than the Whipple equipped 2018 car you posted above due to those fewer shifts.


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[gimmie11s]

I also doubt the new 500 will make 716 whp and it sure as hell isnt going to weigh 4050 lbs.

I’m sticking to plenty of bottom 130s along with a ton of average drivers and tracks delivering high 120s.


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[svt662]

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