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Discussion in 'The Distillery' started by MustangMikeKy, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. BADASS03SVT

    BADASS03SVT Well-Known Member Established Member

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    and?

    Tom in CT (forget his screen name) with his 3900lb GT500 just went 8s on E85. Weight isnt going to change anything. I dont know why your making excuses for something you havent really researched or tried?
     
  2. 04sleeper

    04sleeper Runs On "Liquid Gold" Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Scuba-Matt Boost Freak!!!!!!!! Established Member

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    I can make the dyno read any number I want. 4400lb on a dyno doen't me anything, its not real world. Show me a time slip from the 1320.
    I haven't seen a 4400lb truck running E85 truck put down the numbers I do, I'm not talking dyno numbers, and my 4400lbs is without driver so add another 185
     
  4. Scuba-Matt

    Scuba-Matt Boost Freak!!!!!!!! Established Member

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    I'm not making any excuses, Weight and aero dynamics have plenty to do with racing. It takes torque to get the weight moving, not HP. If my Lightning set up was in a 3600 lb car it would run 8's too.
    I have my numbers (real numbers from the 1320, not some inflated dyno numbers) to back my statements up. You keep posting other peoples rides, What about your ride? Are you just another keyboard racer? If your going to talk racing then you better be a racer. Not just another internet racer.
     
  5. 04sleeper

    04sleeper Runs On "Liquid Gold" Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The dyno in question just happened to be at Holly Performance. It was used to judge KOTS and the numbers were not skewed in any way.

    He has gone 9.4's @ over 155 MPH with the factory 6 speed shifting gears!!!!!

    I give up. You just don't get it and never will.

    Keep paying for your expensive C16 and go slower.
     
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  6. Scuba-Matt

    Scuba-Matt Boost Freak!!!!!!!! Established Member

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    Thats awesome. And I get your point.
    I will keep paying for C16 for my Lightning. To convert wouldn't be cost effective right now. I plan on running E85 in my GT once I put a forged lower end in the motor and some upgraded valve springsa fuel system along with a 2.9 Whipple and hit it with 20 psi boost.
     
  7. BADASS03SVT

    BADASS03SVT Well-Known Member Established Member

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    yea I gotta go with 04 on this one...youll just never understand I guess. Maybe I dont get what weight has to do with the fuel you run in your car?

    am I a racer?? did you see my sig???????????
     
  8. Ironhand

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    ****ing sig material!!!!!!!!!! :beer:
     
  9. BADASS03SVT

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    bwahahaha
     
  10. SM0KE

    SM0KE SVT God Established Member

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    He's done about as much research on you as he's done on e-85...
     
  11. 94venomV8

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    Lol at this thread, apparently to see benefits of e85 you have to be running 7 seconds or faster in the 1/4. I'm not a e85 guru like Kevin, however I can say that I have a buddy with a turbo lighting that runs almost 30psi (don't know exact amount) but pushes out almost 1200rwhp. And before you talk about inflated dyno numbers, his truck is deep into the 9's. He stepped up from racing gas as it was $7 at our local dragstrip. E85 is at the pump and cost almost $5 cheaper a gallon. Now scuba, you honestly can't tell me it's not cost effective to switch when you will make the same power if not more, and can actuLly cruise on the street with that fuel, it would be pretty cost ineffective to drive on the street with C16 at $7/gallon. If I were to do that in my car I would be going through almost $80 a tank which would last a couple days. That money right there would get you a e85 fuel system very quickly! You would be money ahead in a month or so at that rate. Can you specify why in the world you would not run e85 with your setup? It seems you have the exact setup TO run e85.

    You also brought up how the weight of your vehicle puts more load on the motor. So wouldn't you want a cooler burning fuel with huge knock support to help relieve some of that heat created by that "huge" load?
     
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  12. BADASS03SVT

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    C16 is more like $14/gal so it's some extreme savings
     
  13. hurley383

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    My buddy made 520 and 602 at one dyno and at another made 430 and 515 on a stock bottom end with 130K 20K on E-85 alone. Ran 11.8 with a 1.8 60ft should do better now that he has a stall and some transmission work done. I would say thats farily good for a stock motor with that many miles...
     
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  14. Scuba-Matt

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    C16 is $17.00 a gallon down here in South Fl.
    So you see why E85 interests me. I could cut my C16 fuel bill in half knowing that I will burn 30-40% more E85
    To convert my Lightning with Bigger pumps bigger injctors larger fuel lines and regulator along with a dyno tune would cost well over 3k.
    So it will stay C16
    The Mustang GT will get E85 after the build.
    E85 at the pump by my shop today was $3.40 a gallon
     
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    Does anyone in this thread have any apples to apples comparisons?

    Posting vids of big motors with huge twin turbos and articles to KOTS prove nothing. Also people basing their performance gains off of their butt dynos or what their buddys brother ran. I want to see back to back (before and after) dyno pulls and 1320 runs in a car or truck that is identical with the exception of the fuel (C16 to E85) and timing adjustments in the tune to take advantage of the available octane and/or knock inhibitors.
     
  16. Ct.TOPGUN

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    I saw this the other day. But did not respond then. But now that it has been brought up on our Lightning Forum(lightninrodder.com) I think I must.

    How many are pushing a severly limited cylinder head design as hard as the ScubaMatt? A 2V Modular motor does not tolerate boost or timing well. It is real sensitive to the perils of detonation. Not like the 4V motors I am sure most of you run. Those handle way more boost and timing safely. You other examples of success are more of the same. The weight and aero penalty we fight makes the load real high and the dangers higher.

    It may be fully possible to achieve Mean Best Timing on E85 for your motors. I would not try to approach our MBT without the support of C16. It's motor octane number is well above E85. And has a very attractive RVP. Would E85 be a good street fuel? Absolutely! If you need to turn up the timing or boost for driving around it is a fairly innexpensive way to get good performance fuel. But my 93 pump tuneup has too much power to hook up on street tires(MT DRs) as it is.

    Jim
     
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  17. C9A1L1L

    C9A1L1L CALL EM! Established Member

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    ^^ Unfounded and unproven.. Until its been tested is all hog wash and just speculation.


    Bottom line is you guys are arguing your OPINION with ZERO experience to back it up. You don't like running E85 JUST BECAUSE. Not because you have used it and can't make the power but JUST BECAUSE you don't like the idea of it. If everyone though t like you guys then the ENTIRE automotive community as a whole would be stuck int he past like a few other bull headed communities. The FACT is that it shows great resilience to detonation and makes obnoxious power for something that cost $3 at the pump. Those of that drive our vehicles on the street love the fact our cars are on kill mode 24/7 for chump change. Considering the difference in price from Premium and E85 my millage per dollar is about the same with power of race fuel.

    You guys coming in here making ignorant post need to leave the bullsh*t at the door. If you have never used E85 before then this isn't a discussion you need even be apart of because at that point you're just pissing ignorance and leading on with speculation. The CORRECT answer to the OP from such people should be "I DON'T KNOW.." because you don't.

    Try then let us know it failed.. People being too scared to properly push E85 is the reason people see subpar numbers, its more than just adding fuel and going about your merry way. If you want to see it make race gas numbers then you need to tune it like race gas. Bottom line.
     
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  18. BADASS03SVT

    BADASS03SVT Well-Known Member Established Member

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    You guys have to search....too much info out there

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoM9naSrdXg"]Jakes first E85 pass - YouTube[/nomedia]

    Ive since made 8 more whp on 26* and a few more tq
     
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    Imagine what it would have done with C16 instead of the VP109 and E85. Still apples to oranges......
     
  20. BADASS03SVT

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    google it...people report the same gains over C16. Plus who wants to use leaded gas??

    Ever see a boosted car make max power at 26*? Thats getting into NA territory. Hell Im at 21* on a 125 shot.

    Im gonna stop here bc clearly you guys are just posting to post. Im keeping my $3 gas and running mid 9s

    :beer:
     

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