Could Bill be Hill's Vp ?

Could Bill be Hill's Vp ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 35.5%
  • No

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Who are Bill & Hill ?

    Votes: 5 8.1%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .

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The answer is: He can. The 12th Amendment states that anybody who is eligible for the presidency under Article II of the Constitution (a natural-born citizen age 35 or older) is eligible for the vice presidency. Clinton is a natural-born citizen over 35, so he qualifies. The putative roadblock to a Clinton vice presidency--the 22nd Amendment--doesn't apply. This hastily worded and passed amendment, designed to block another multi-multi-term presidency such as FDR's, only bars the election of a president to more than two terms in that office. It doesn't prevent a two-term president from running for the vice presidency.
Just something i found on the web, possibly true but dreadful to think about....
 

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The answer is: He can. The 12th Amendment states that anybody who is eligible for the presidency under Article II of the Constitution (a natural-born citizen age 35 or older) is eligible for the vice presidency. Clinton is a natural-born citizen over 35, so he qualifies. The putative roadblock to a Clinton vice presidency--the 22nd Amendment--doesn't apply. This hastily worded and passed amendment, designed to block another multi-multi-term presidency such as FDR's, only bars the election of a president to more than two terms in that office. It doesn't prevent a two-term president from running for the vice presidency.
Just something i found on the web, possibly true but dreadful to think about....


Where did you find this Chief?
 

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In this case no.....Bill's a former 2 term President and has reached limit in the amt of years he can serve.

But if a spouse meets all the other criterion for President set forth in the constitution they can.
 

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The answer is: He can. The 12th Amendment states that anybody who is eligible for the presidency under Article II of the Constitution (a natural-born citizen age 35 or older) is eligible for the vice presidency. Clinton is a natural-born citizen over 35, so he qualifies. The putative roadblock to a Clinton vice presidency--the 22nd Amendment--doesn't apply. This hastily worded and passed amendment, designed to block another multi-multi-term presidency such as FDR's, only bars the election of a president to more than two terms in that office. It doesn't prevent a two-term president from running for the vice presidency.
Just something i found on the web, possibly true but dreadful to think about....

Actually it does prevent him because a VP must meet ALL the criterion for President since he would be President in the event of Hillary's death, critical illness or other circumstance that would prevent her from continuing as Pres. So while Bill meets MOST of the qualifyers he doesn't meet the prevention of a Pres serving more than 10 years.

Nice try though- the critera is ALL or NOTHING. There are NO exceptions. (not yet anyway- it would take another amendment to the constitution for Bill to be VP- or Pres again for that matter.)
 

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Actually it does prevent him because a VP must meet ALL the criterion for President since he would be President in the event of Hillary's death, critical illness or other circumstance that would prevent her from continuing as Pres. So while Bill meets MOST of the qualifyers he doesn't meet the prevention of a Pres serving more than 10 years.

Nice try though- the critera is ALL or NOTHING. There are NO exceptions. (not yet anyway- it would take another amendment to the constitution for Bill to be VP- or Pres again for that matter.)

But doesn't it say all the criteria under Article II, which did not mention anything about serving more than two terms?
 

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But doesn't it say all the criteria under Article II, which did not mention anything about serving more than two terms?

FYI- the amendments are also part of the Constitution. Read beyond just the articles and you will find your answer.

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html


AMENDMENT XXII
Passed by Congress March 21, 1947. Ratified February 27, 1951.

Section 1.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2.
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.
 

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Is it legal for spouses to be President and Vice President ? :??:

dumb poll. yes it is legal for spouses to be president and vice president. It is also legal for Bill to be hillabitch's VP since the term limits are for the office of president.

your poll is dumb because Is it legal for spoused to be President and Vice President is a yes or no question and NOT an opinion question.

Now if you are asking if a Hillabitch prez and Bill VP is a good IDEA ... or something that we might WANT... THAT is a pollable question because it IS a matter of opinion.
 

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dumb poll. yes it is legal for spouses to be president and vice president. It is also legal for Bill to be hillabitch's VP since the term limits are for the office of president.

your poll is dumb because Is it legal for spoused to be President and Vice President is a yes or no question and NOT an opinion question.

Now if you are asking if a Hillabitch prez and Bill VP is a good IDEA ... or something that we might WANT... THAT is a pollable question because it IS a matter of opinion.


FYI- The criteria for VP and President are exactly the same....so NO, Bill can't be Vice President. Read Constitutional amendment #22 for Clarification.
 

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Its pollable for humorous reasons. Its almost half and half right now. :D
Sorry to anger and infuriate you sir. :rockon:
 

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FYI- the amendments are also part of the Constitution. Read beyond just the articles and you will find your answer.

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html


AMENDMENT XXII
Passed by Congress March 21, 1947. Ratified February 27, 1951.

Section 1.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2.
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

Oh, alright. Thanks for the clarification.:beer:
 

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Actually it does prevent him because a VP must meet ALL the criterion for President since he would be President in the event of Hillary's death, critical illness or other circumstance that would prevent her from continuing as Pres. So while Bill meets MOST of the qualifyers he doesn't meet the prevention of a Pres serving more than 10 years.

Nice try though- the critera is ALL or NOTHING. There are NO exceptions. (not yet anyway- it would take another amendment to the constitution for Bill to be VP- or Pres again for that matter.)

actually I think you are wrong on your points... note the wording at the beginning:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice

it says "shall be ELECTED to the office" if hillabitch was the candidate, and bill was the VP candidate SHE would be elected to the office of president. Now lets take it to the next step, they win and go to the white house, and hillabitch dies. Bill would be APPOINTED to the office of President, not ELECTED to the office. ergo he WOULD meet ALL the criteria.
 

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FYI- The criteria for VP and President are exactly the same....so NO, Bill can't be Vice President. Read Constitutional amendment #22 for Clarification.

please see my response to your other post. I still say you are incorrect on your interpretation
 

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actually I think you are wrong on your points... note the wording at the beginning:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice

it says "shall be ELECTED to the office" if hillabitch was the candidate, and bill was the VP candidate SHE would be elected to the office of president. Now lets take it to the next step, they win and go to the white house, and hillabitch dies. Bill would be APPOINTED to the office of President, not ELECTED to the office. ergo he WOULD meet ALL the criteria.

Damn- where is Adam when you need him? You have an interesting interpretation. But I still say because he's held the office for 2 terms that prohibits him from being VP.

Maybe someone who has a broader constitutional background can shed some light on this. My law knowledge is limited to 5 classes in business law.
 

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actually I think you are wrong on your points... note the wording at the beginning:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice

it says "shall be ELECTED to the office" if hillabitch was the candidate, and bill was the VP candidate SHE would be elected to the office of president. Now lets take it to the next step, they win and go to the white house, and hillabitch dies. Bill would be APPOINTED to the office of President, not ELECTED to the office. ergo he WOULD meet ALL the criteria.

It indeed does say elected. Using the "other" proposed interpretation would preclude a former President from any elected position that falls within the Presidential succession. Which would mean he could never be a senator or congressman.

The point is that a former President could indeed be a Vice President. And under the XXII Amendment, if that V.P. had to assume the roll of President it could only be for the remaining term and that would be it. That V.P. turned President could not then run for another term.
 

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It indeed does say elected. Using the "other" proposed interpretation would preclude a former President from any elected position that falls within the Presidential succession. Which would mean he could never be a senator or congressman.

The point is that a former President could indeed be a Vice President. And under the XXII Amendment, if that V.P. had to assume the roll of President it could only be for the remaining term and that would be it. That V.P. turned President could not then run for another term.

So theoretically if Bill was VP for Hillary and she had a stroke and died Bill would be Pres for the rest of her term but couldn't then run for election?
:shrug: ....or would he be limited to 2 years after being "appointed" because he can't go over 10 regardless of how he got there.

Just curious.....and thanks for the clarification:thumbsup:
 

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