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<blockquote data-quote="REX-RACER" data-source="post: 10240532" data-attributes="member: 14222"><p><strong>More reasearch!</strong></p><p></p><p>Did some more e-research last night. The objective for the night was to find real world stories of people who had switched or at least experimented w/E85 and what kind or results or problems they encountered. Here are some of the results and links:</p><p></p><p>Turbomustangs.com - <a href="http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=47094.0" target="_blank">1995 Mustang GT street car, 331 cubic inch, custom twin turbo</a> </p><p>This car pushed out over 1000 hp once tuned on E85! Unfortunately they didn't do a comparison run against conventional gasoline, but it's doubtful they would have gotten that number on the 91 octane the car had been running on. There is a pretty cool dyno vid you can d/l at the bottom of the first post along w/ links to the graphs. This car was set up and tested back in 2005 and while it obviously has a super serious fuel system, that apparently was not the original intent, they just decided to see what they could get on pump obtainable E85. Two years later the car is still motoring w/ no ill effects to the fuel system.</p><p></p><p>Corral.net - <a href="http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=872277&highlight=e85+conversion" target="_blank">95trippleblackconv </a></p><p>This guy decided to start running his supercharged 95 GT on E85 and he provides a ton of tunning info and data that he did w/ his Tweecer and wide band O2 sensor. Lots of info on afr, lambda readings, fuel pump & injector duty cycles, etc. He starts by blending the stuff w/ conventional gas at various percentages and ends up going to straight E85. He does not mention any unusual fuel system upgrades other than what he had in place to support the blower previously. He reports no fuel system issues since he began in May 2006.</p><p></p><p>This TT Dodge Viper produced 1100 hp and went 189 mph in a standing mile to set a world record - <a href="http://www.e85viper.com/" target="_blank">http://www.e85viper.com/</a> </p><p></p><p>Here is a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl7DgLTTPVU&mode=related&search=" target="_blank">utube video</a> of the same car start & run on the street! It sounds pretty weird frankly but I hear V10s are just like that . . . you can't argue w/ the performance though and this guy never has to bother w/ $10/gal race fuel! His fuel system is reworked but for an 1100 hp TT car that's hardly unusual. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>There are some haters though and for what ever reasons this subject seems to really piss some people off! I found thes bashing threads too:</p><p><a href="http://www.modularfords.com/forums/2005-mustang/e85-49075.html?highlight=e85+conversion" target="_blank">http://www.modularfords.com/forums/2005-mustang/e85-49075.html?highlight=e85+conversion</a></p><p><a href="http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=872277&highlight=e85+conversion" target="_blank">http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=872277&highlight=e85+conversion</a></p><p></p><p>The odd thing about the folks who keep screaming about not doing this don't seem to have much evidence that it's going to be a big problem. They just keep saying stuff like:</p><p></p><p> "I think it'll screw up you fuel system so you'd better no try it!" </p><p></p><p>or</p><p></p><p> "I hear it will screw up your engine, gaskets, injectors, etc. so don't bother!" </p><p></p><p>and of course, </p><p></p><p>"You have to use more of it than gasoline becuase of it's energy yield properties so it isn't worth it at all!"</p><p></p><p>But oddly enough they never seem to have any real world data to support these claims. I'm not saying there aren't some horror stories out there somewhere, but I haven't run across them yet . . . </p><p></p><p>Conclusions thus far . . . </p><p>The one actual problem that I have heard from people that could result from going to E85 suddenly is the fact that the alcohol will suddenly super clean the inside of you fuel dilivery system stripping out all of the gunk & varnish. In and of itself I don't think that's a bad thing, but some people have reported that it clogs the fuel filter on the first or second tank full. The recomendations seem to be to be prepaired to change your fuel filter after the first tank fuel & maybe two and also look into getting a wire mesh fuel filter instead paper element. This seems like a good idea to me in a general sense.</p><p></p><p>I have seen no actual eveidence of E85 destroying someoned engine or fuel system in a post 1995 vehicle. Noones car died, melted from the inside out or spontaneously combusted b/c they started running E85. I'm still looking though so if anyone knows of anything please post it up!</p><p></p><p>The biggest obstacles seems to be frankly tunning for E85 in the since that you need to push approx. 20% more fuel to get the correct ratios, etc. If your fuel system doesn't have that kind of additional head room than it's likely to be an issue, obviously. The other obstacle appears to be the tunning. The interesting thing about this though is that given E85's high octane rating, it appears to be more forgiving than conventional gasoline. </p><p></p><p>This is a good thing! </p><p></p><p>In all actuallity, for the N2O application that I have planned, E85 is good but not necessarily great since N2O is all about "the hit". For boosted cars it appears to be the shiznit though for two reason:</p><p></p><p>1). Obviously the octane will allow you turn the boost & timing up even further.</p><p></p><p>2). It runs much cooler than conventional gasoline providing properties something like Meth injection allowing increased timing as well.</p><p></p><p>I tell ya, if I had a boosted car w/ an already upgraded fuel delivery system, I'd be all over this stuff. It's like cheap race fuel at corner gas station!</p><p></p><p>The research continues. I'm going to look at some other forums like f-body, etc. and see what I can find. I'm also going to try to find out which fuel pump & injectors are most compatable w/ E85.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="REX-RACER, post: 10240532, member: 14222"] [b]More reasearch![/b] Did some more e-research last night. The objective for the night was to find real world stories of people who had switched or at least experimented w/E85 and what kind or results or problems they encountered. Here are some of the results and links: Turbomustangs.com - [URL="http://www.turbomustangs.com/smf/index.php?topic=47094.0"]1995 Mustang GT street car, 331 cubic inch, custom twin turbo[/URL] This car pushed out over 1000 hp once tuned on E85! Unfortunately they didn't do a comparison run against conventional gasoline, but it's doubtful they would have gotten that number on the 91 octane the car had been running on. There is a pretty cool dyno vid you can d/l at the bottom of the first post along w/ links to the graphs. This car was set up and tested back in 2005 and while it obviously has a super serious fuel system, that apparently was not the original intent, they just decided to see what they could get on pump obtainable E85. Two years later the car is still motoring w/ no ill effects to the fuel system. Corral.net - [URL="http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=872277&highlight=e85+conversion"]95trippleblackconv [/URL] This guy decided to start running his supercharged 95 GT on E85 and he provides a ton of tunning info and data that he did w/ his Tweecer and wide band O2 sensor. Lots of info on afr, lambda readings, fuel pump & injector duty cycles, etc. He starts by blending the stuff w/ conventional gas at various percentages and ends up going to straight E85. He does not mention any unusual fuel system upgrades other than what he had in place to support the blower previously. He reports no fuel system issues since he began in May 2006. This TT Dodge Viper produced 1100 hp and went 189 mph in a standing mile to set a world record - [url]http://www.e85viper.com/[/url] Here is a [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl7DgLTTPVU&mode=related&search="]utube video[/URL] of the same car start & run on the street! It sounds pretty weird frankly but I hear V10s are just like that . . . you can't argue w/ the performance though and this guy never has to bother w/ $10/gal race fuel! His fuel system is reworked but for an 1100 hp TT car that's hardly unusual. There are some haters though and for what ever reasons this subject seems to really piss some people off! I found thes bashing threads too: [url]http://www.modularfords.com/forums/2005-mustang/e85-49075.html?highlight=e85+conversion[/url] [url]http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=872277&highlight=e85+conversion[/url] The odd thing about the folks who keep screaming about not doing this don't seem to have much evidence that it's going to be a big problem. They just keep saying stuff like: "I think it'll screw up you fuel system so you'd better no try it!" or "I hear it will screw up your engine, gaskets, injectors, etc. so don't bother!" and of course, "You have to use more of it than gasoline becuase of it's energy yield properties so it isn't worth it at all!" But oddly enough they never seem to have any real world data to support these claims. I'm not saying there aren't some horror stories out there somewhere, but I haven't run across them yet . . . Conclusions thus far . . . The one actual problem that I have heard from people that could result from going to E85 suddenly is the fact that the alcohol will suddenly super clean the inside of you fuel dilivery system stripping out all of the gunk & varnish. In and of itself I don't think that's a bad thing, but some people have reported that it clogs the fuel filter on the first or second tank full. The recomendations seem to be to be prepaired to change your fuel filter after the first tank fuel & maybe two and also look into getting a wire mesh fuel filter instead paper element. This seems like a good idea to me in a general sense. I have seen no actual eveidence of E85 destroying someoned engine or fuel system in a post 1995 vehicle. Noones car died, melted from the inside out or spontaneously combusted b/c they started running E85. I'm still looking though so if anyone knows of anything please post it up! The biggest obstacles seems to be frankly tunning for E85 in the since that you need to push approx. 20% more fuel to get the correct ratios, etc. If your fuel system doesn't have that kind of additional head room than it's likely to be an issue, obviously. The other obstacle appears to be the tunning. The interesting thing about this though is that given E85's high octane rating, it appears to be more forgiving than conventional gasoline. This is a good thing! In all actuallity, for the N2O application that I have planned, E85 is good but not necessarily great since N2O is all about "the hit". For boosted cars it appears to be the shiznit though for two reason: 1). Obviously the octane will allow you turn the boost & timing up even further. 2). It runs much cooler than conventional gasoline providing properties something like Meth injection allowing increased timing as well. I tell ya, if I had a boosted car w/ an already upgraded fuel delivery system, I'd be all over this stuff. It's like cheap race fuel at corner gas station! The research continues. I'm going to look at some other forums like f-body, etc. and see what I can find. I'm also going to try to find out which fuel pump & injectors are most compatable w/ E85. [/QUOTE]
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