And when you say liberal ae you referring to me? By liberal do you mean someone who is more educated than you? More intelligent than you? Has more real world experience than you? Because that is all true. And I know it because anybody who uses "Liberal" as an epithet (you may not know what epithet means btw but I am taking a chance here) is by definition less educated and intelligent than me. I am not proud of it. How much credit can I take for a rhetorical victory over the likes of you. It's like being in a butt kicking contest with a one legged man. (Google the word rhetorical so you don't get confused. :dancenana: