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  1. Iamchris

    Iamchris Shakey Snake Established Member

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    Okay, let me preface by saying I do not have a problem with the law, and have always payed LEOs respect and understanding of their job. However I was just pulled over for doing nothing wrong and feel as though the officer was bullying me.
    Heres what happened;
    My brother previously asked me to meet him at a local animal shelter to see the dog he was adopting. I started my drive out and as I am about 2 minutes away I get a text saying to never-mind.
    Being I am so close I proceed and assume he will be there still and I can ask him whats up. I get there, he is gone. I pull in and call him, he says that the adoption place was treating him badly and he was not adopting. Apparently he told the guy he felt like he was being jerked around, and that he would go to another shelter, the guy told him to do so and not come back and my brother told him to **** off and left. I was not there for this, I learned of it on the phone after I arrived at the shelter.
    I hung up with my brother after a 3 minute phone call and left the place. As soon as I reach the road and attempt to turn a cruiser heads me off.

    I am confused at this point and stop to see what he is doing, I figure he is going around. Mind you I did not believe there to be an issue at the shelter.
    The office gets out, I turn off the vehicle, turn on hazards and put my hands where they can be seen.

    He comes up with a hard nose attitude and asks for license and reg, I collect them. He asks where I am going, I tell him I am going home and that I was supposed to meet my brother here but he already left.
    He ask if it is a silver Mustang, I say yes. He asks if he is at the gas station, I say I think, he is headed back to Marlboro.
    He demands I call my brother and get him back here or he is going to call neighboring towns and have him pulled over and locked up. I do so because the cop is acting like an ass and honestly at this point don't want to push his buttons.

    At this point I am bothered and tell the officer with a purposefully calm tone
    That I respect the law, respect his job, but don't understand this or why I am stopped, I haven't done anything wrong.
    He tells me with a continued attitude that he is doing his job, let him do that and if I had become an officer I would understand that. That he stopped me, asked me to call my brother and that now I am questioning him. That if I continued like this he would consider it (I forget what he called it, but basically non-compliance) and "lock me" up too.
    Cop runs my plates and comes back good, asks if I am wearing contacts and I hear over the radio that my plates have been scanned 18 times since august (WTF?! I haven't broken a single law in the last year)
    Another officer shows up and acts more civil.
    They tell me that the shelter called because of my brother, and also reported that there was a blue Mustang out front. I was there for maybe 4 minutes. The call was literally 3:17 and I never sat idle before or after the call.
    I tell them what I was doing, what I know and that I never spoke to anyone, don't know what happened and never even spoke to anyone.
    1st officer tells me to call brother again and make sure he is on his way (it has only been 5 minutes). I call again as he pulls up.
    They have some discussion and after sitting there for 15 minutes the 1st cop tells me to leave.

    Seriously. I didn't do anything wrong. I sat idle in front of a building for 4 minutes and left. I was pulled over based on assumption, had my plates run based on assumption, and was treated like shit because my brother told someone to **** off. I was held up even after determining that I was not part of this, last time I seen my brother prior was at my mother's house about 8 hours ago.

    Is this normal, or was the cop being an ass? Should I at least make a complaint? I don't believe he had enough cause to stop me, run my plates, treat me like shit, and hold me there as ransom till my brother arrived. I don't hold this against officers in general, I just think that officer was an ass.

    Thanks for your help.

    *UPDATE*
    I spoke to my brother after all this happened. From what I got out of it, my brother spoke to the shelter owner over the phone. When he arrived at the shelter after going through approvals, he met with the owners son of the same name. He asked for the guy by name, and the son answered that it was him. My brother proceeded to carry on correspondance, which maybe irritated the son because he did not know what he was talking about?
    My brother had arranged for his friend (partial home owner) to meet with the dog, and check how her two boys reponded to the dog. My brother assumed he was cleared to see the dog and did not understand why the guy was not allowing him to and why he was giving him an attitude. Apparently even hearing from Lisette, the guy was being an ass. My brother made his feelings known, things escalated into
    "well, maybe you shouldnt adopt here", "I won't, I'll find another shelter", "Good, don't come back", "**** off".
    From what I understand it wasn't bad, and when they left the guy walked out and made sure they left the property. Then called the cops.

    Nothing came of this for my brother. He came back, spoke with the officers and was let go after being told to not return. My brother also agreed that the first officer was being very agressive. I am telling it exactly like it is from my side. I don't need to lie, I don't need to get answers that I think are in my favor. I even spoke with Lisette seperately to ask how things really went over and she agreed, the guy over reacted and the situation was rediculous.

    My side is not who is right or wrong, only that I was pulled over on assupmtion even though I came and went with little suspicion and never even made a peep. The only thing they knew about me is that we both drove Mustangs...
    The cop was looking for a reason to give me shit when he stopped me and spoke to me like he was TRYING to escalate the situation. Do civilian officers not use a "use of force" module? You don't escalate a situation with an already compliant individual.

    My brother asked the cop point blank when he arrived if he was related to these guys. The cop just took things like he was personally offended by it.

    I don't really care at this point. I am going to call the station. I never go to that city anyway, and hopefully this will atleast get documented. It may provided basis for future complaints even if it is not taken seriously this time.
     
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  2. Common

    Common Active Member Established Member

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    Officer was doing his job, investigating a minor call and you're getting bent out of shape for it?

    I wouldn't even consider making a complaint.

    Besides, what was the "discussion" about between the LEO and your brother?....there has to be little more to the story.....
     
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  3. CraZeeSTanG

    CraZeeSTanG Member Established Member

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    sure its normal.. your brother got into a confrontation with one of them.. mustve cursed yelled and left.. then you pull up and sit there. those pussy's probably thought you were called to start shit and complained. blame the shelter...not the cops.
     
  4. Zinc03Cobra

    Zinc03Cobra Super Trooper Established Member

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    maybe he the officer thought he was a Maverick? All kidding aside, it's a stressful job and maybe it was an off day for him.

    Sorry you had a bad encounter with an officer.
     
  5. 4valvemach

    4valvemach Active Member Established Member

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    you did not get a ticket so does it really matter if he was nice to you:shrug:

    how does your plate get scanned 18 times:-D

    I dont think making a complaint against a cop would be a good thing
     
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  6. WTF

    WTF law abiding citizen Established Member

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    Cop didn't do anything wrong lawfully so you can't get him in trouble. The LEOs here will tell you it's not their job to be courteous to you and everyone has the right to be an asshole. (nevermind the fact of if you're an asshole to a cop, he/she can seriously ruin your life and not vise versa). Just move on dude. A complaint won't do anything but make that cop remember you more which is a bad thing.

    So what happened to your brother? :??:
     
  7. CSD

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    Writing a complaint will do nothing in this situation. You will only waste gas driving from your home to the police department and back. The shelter obviously called and reported your brother for whatever reason. How else would the officer know what color his car was...:idea: With that said, the officer had every right to stop you and verify your credentials. You were not held as ransom, you were simply detained. Whether the officer was an ass or not is neither here nor there, he was doing job.
     
  8. 03_SVT_Freak

    03_SVT_Freak Stirring the pot :D Established Member

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    i have to disagree. being an ass is NOT part of the job.


    while i dont think you should file a complaint the rest of you guys need to realize that cops have a higher standard than civilians just as armed forces do. treating people with disrespect that is CLEARLY cooperating and not giving the cop a hard time is something a good cop should never do. i think that LEOS should set an example, and try to show some composer, even while having a bad day, and not blow up in people's faces.
     
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  9. CSD

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    You have the right to disagree and think what you want. Fact is the nature of the call determines how the officer will handle the call. Furthermore, I'm sure the officers attitude has been exaggerated here by the OP.
     
  10. Iceman II

    Iceman II Right Behind You! Established Member

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    I am going to agree with CSD.
    Your brother could have been arrested for disorderly conduct or threats. I can see where the shelter guy/folks were shook up on your brothers actions. No need for that at all, then he is thinking your brother in calling for reinforcements??
     
  11. PonyFever

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    If the OP's statements are true, then there may very well be a case for harassement and unnecessary intimidation. I certainly don't think it would do any harm to at least call a Sgt. at the police department and discuss proper decorum in a case like this. I fully support good LEO efforts and fully disdain arrogant, dillusional efforts.

    The brother may have been the threat and caution may have been warranted, but there are both civil and uncivil ways to behave. Only the OP and LEO really know.
     
  12. FordSVTFan

    FordSVTFan Oh, the humanity of it all. Established Member

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    You werent bullied. You werent harassed either.

    You brother was guilty of disorderly conduct at a minimum.

    So the police were responding to a call. The caller identified two separate vehicles, one of which matched your vehicle.

    You were stopped and an investigation ensued because of your brother's actions and because of the complaint by the people at the shelter. While you didnt commit a traffic offense, a complaint was called in and required investigation.

    If you can look at this objectively and say that you were honestly mistreated then you should call the desk sergeant and report it. BTW, the officer held you there to confirm your story with your brother. Your brother started this situation and the police were required to investigate the complaint filed by the people at the animal shelter.
     
  13. Quik Z06

    Quik Z06 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Ok let me get this straight. If I tell someone to **** off that is disorderly conduct? I have told plenty of people off and in no way should it be considered disorderly, im supposed to just shut up and let them be an ass to me?

    That being said, im saying that based on the story we have. If the brother in fact threatened someone or was getting out of hand and scared someone I can see the cops getting involved.
     
  14. Stroszek

    Stroszek You're a flower, you are. Established Member

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    If you were the bigger person you would but I sincerely doubt the shelter just started in on the OP's brother like that. The shelter isn't obligated and maybe it's best that they didn't adopt out to him. In their hindsight, I'm sure they feel it was a good decision.

    I'm sure they get discouraged by the number of people that come in here and cry harassment and then there are those who never did anything wrong. They deal with these types of people on a daily basis and then offer their free time, their experience and their knowledge here and I'm sure they have little patience remaining for this type of sniveling BS.

    The OP prefaces his post by saying "I do not have a problem with the law, and have always payed LEOs respect and understanding of their job". He may think so but it's pretty clear that it's not quite the case. If it were the case, he would have respectfully waited patiently and allowed the LEO to do his job.
     
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  15. tama

    tama Mastermind Established Member

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    I'm going to have to disagree. I respect my Father but don't always agree with him, his thoughts, behavior etc...does that mean I truly don't respect him like I say I do?

    I do have one ? for the OP. Did you enter the shelter for them to confirm you were the brother? If so that's why you were reported.
     
  16. mswaim

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    Like most of the posts here, we only see one half of the issue, with its usual biases. In this case, we only have the statement of a brother who suffered through this issue due to the actions of his brother - but holds law enforcement accountable for the way they conducted their investigation.

    I would agree that LEO's need to check attitude at the door; there is a difference between command presence and over-bearing heavy-handed behavior. Every officer needs to know the difference and be called on it when they step over the line.

    With that said, I would bet the shelter workers set the stage with the tone of their call.
     
  17. rkomo

    rkomo Herro, Mr. Itabashi here Established Member

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    I'd consider yr brother's behavior in this matter first before questioning the actions of the responding LEO. How the heck does someone get into a fight with caregivers at an animal shelter? No offense, but it's likely a good thing yr brother didn’t get a dog...
     
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  18. BIGV

    BIGV GO BIG OR GO HOME!!! Established Member

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    Absolutely, disorderly conduct is the use of course or vulgar language in public where it is likely others would be able to hear. Also any tumultuous behavior that would alarm. They don't even have to hear it, just be likely to hear it.

    An example would be if an officer heard you cursing in a parking lot but no one complained and it is likely that someone could hear it he could arrest you. Would they no they would tell you to knock it off. Now if you want to get shitty with them they could arrest you.

    So to answer your ? yes you can have a complaint signed against you for cursing at someone. No, an officer would not arrest you at least in NJ because Disorderly person is a offense not a crime we can only arrest for an offense if it happened in our presence or you admit it. In this case we would advise the complainant how to sign a complaint.
     
  19. FordSVTFan

    FordSVTFan Oh, the humanity of it all. Established Member

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    You are missing the point. The people at the animal shelter (which may or may not be a government division/agency) called the police and filed a complaint. They gave the police the description of two vehicles involved in the incident. Whether the people in the animal shelter exagerrated or not, the police must investigate. That is exactly what they did.

    Additionally, the key words in the Mass Disorderly Conduct statute is "an action to annoy or disturb... in public".
     
  20. RDJ

    RDJ ZERO shits given Established Member

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    I would have to disagree with this. The OP (ASSUMING he is telling the truth about his actions) was not part of the incident. The shelter clown had no cause to call in a complaint about him sitting in the parking lot. For him to assume that the 2nd mustang was associtated with the first and up to no good is assinine.

    Frankly if I was the op and his brother I would be writing a letter of complaint to the shelter supervisor reporting their employees actions and requesting a meeting. Again this is assuming the op is giving us the whole story. There is likely more to the brothers story and it would come out as a result of the letter. But i would definately be writing a complaint to the shelter for their employees assumptions and his reporting me unnecessarily to the police.
     
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