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CJ manifold and E85, who has most NA power?
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<blockquote data-quote="ANGREY" data-source="post: 16012370" data-attributes="member: 188865"><p>I'm still trying to decide if this is a serious post or not.</p><p></p><p>1) All 4 stroke engines have the same constraint, so rather than cut every displacement value in half, let's just refer to them as is. A 6.2 Liter V-8 (4 STROKE) engine has a displacement of 6.2 liters. A 5.2 liter is 5.2 liters. A 5.0 liter is 5.0 liters.</p><p></p><p>2) Despite a bunch of smoke and mirrors, the bigger point is that the Dodge/Mopar lineup of motors are pretty sad for specific output. Cram whatever you want on top or before the intake, to get the amount of power out of such a large displacement engine is pretty pathetic, and as I've said earlier, reminiscent of 1990 tech.</p><p></p><p>Between not being able to rev much higher than a John Deere and having pushrods and 2 valves per, the engine and it's output are very yawn worthy.</p><p></p><p>One could argue that Dodge is prioritizing simplicity and cost and reliability/tried and true designs, but that goes out the window when you look at the cost of the Hellcat/Demon.</p><p></p><p>I will give Dodge props. I think Dodge knows most people aren't knowledgeable about cars. They see 707 hp and that's the extent of their ability to measure performance. They don't see the 4500 lb pig that's attached to.</p><p></p><p>A 400 hp Monza stripped to the bone is fast because it's LIGHT.</p><p></p><p>As I said earlier, go to ANY strip and ANY track and Dodges are RARELY if EVER the fastest cars there. </p><p></p><p>Or put another way, in order for Dodge to be on par with LS or Coyote/Chevy/Ford, they'd need to improve their specific output AS WELL AS THEIR POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO.</p><p></p><p>The ONLY thing Dodge has going for it outside of a clever marketing campaign is the whole 4 door sedan bit. I'm MUCH MUCH MUCH more impressed with the trackhawk than the Demon/Hellcat. An SUV that skins everything else is unique. A fat, bloated car that costs $80k and makes 800 hp with a blower and race fuel and runs mid 10's in the quarter mile would have been impressive in 1990. Today it's pretty underachieving.</p><p></p><p>There are 2018 GT's running 8's on stock tranny/motor. Not that 1320 times are everything, but that same car will outturn and outbrake a Charger/Challenger 24/7/365.</p><p></p><p>You can now buy a mustang GT/Camaro and have a dealer installed blower WITH A FULL WARRANTY for $25k less and have a car that will eat the Demon/Hellcat for lunch.</p><p></p><p>There's very very little that's impressive about a Demon/Hellcat. All my opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ANGREY, post: 16012370, member: 188865"] I'm still trying to decide if this is a serious post or not. 1) All 4 stroke engines have the same constraint, so rather than cut every displacement value in half, let's just refer to them as is. A 6.2 Liter V-8 (4 STROKE) engine has a displacement of 6.2 liters. A 5.2 liter is 5.2 liters. A 5.0 liter is 5.0 liters. 2) Despite a bunch of smoke and mirrors, the bigger point is that the Dodge/Mopar lineup of motors are pretty sad for specific output. Cram whatever you want on top or before the intake, to get the amount of power out of such a large displacement engine is pretty pathetic, and as I've said earlier, reminiscent of 1990 tech. Between not being able to rev much higher than a John Deere and having pushrods and 2 valves per, the engine and it's output are very yawn worthy. One could argue that Dodge is prioritizing simplicity and cost and reliability/tried and true designs, but that goes out the window when you look at the cost of the Hellcat/Demon. I will give Dodge props. I think Dodge knows most people aren't knowledgeable about cars. They see 707 hp and that's the extent of their ability to measure performance. They don't see the 4500 lb pig that's attached to. A 400 hp Monza stripped to the bone is fast because it's LIGHT. As I said earlier, go to ANY strip and ANY track and Dodges are RARELY if EVER the fastest cars there. Or put another way, in order for Dodge to be on par with LS or Coyote/Chevy/Ford, they'd need to improve their specific output AS WELL AS THEIR POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO. The ONLY thing Dodge has going for it outside of a clever marketing campaign is the whole 4 door sedan bit. I'm MUCH MUCH MUCH more impressed with the trackhawk than the Demon/Hellcat. An SUV that skins everything else is unique. A fat, bloated car that costs $80k and makes 800 hp with a blower and race fuel and runs mid 10's in the quarter mile would have been impressive in 1990. Today it's pretty underachieving. There are 2018 GT's running 8's on stock tranny/motor. Not that 1320 times are everything, but that same car will outturn and outbrake a Charger/Challenger 24/7/365. You can now buy a mustang GT/Camaro and have a dealer installed blower WITH A FULL WARRANTY for $25k less and have a car that will eat the Demon/Hellcat for lunch. There's very very little that's impressive about a Demon/Hellcat. All my opinion. [/QUOTE]
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