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  1. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    How often do you'll change the supercharger oil? Couldn't find it in the manual. I am getting close to 50k miles on my car and wondering if I need to change it soon or not.

    Thanks guys
     
  2. Bdubbs

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    I would change it. Heck I changed mine at just over 20k. Even more frequent changes if running a smaller pulley.
     
  3. cobracide

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    Don't change it. If you get it ported or surpass 100k miles stock, put the Nye 605 spec supercharger oil in. GM oil probably cheaper.

    When
    Ford spec - 100k

    What
    http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...2-changing-oil-my-eaton-help.html#post8719212

    How
    http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/how-230/266284-eaton-oil-change-writeup-pics.html
     
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  4. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    I did put a 2.80 supercharger pulley on my car about 4k miles ago, so most of the miles on the car are on the stock pulley. Am I still good for at least 20k more miles?

    Thanks guys for the input so far
     
  5. Posi

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    I'd change it and will to bet also that the oil level is low now. After that I'd still change it every 15-20,000 miles on a regular basis. You can use the GM Supercharger oil or Mobil 1 10w-30 or I use Amsoil 10w-30 in all of my ports.

    At the very least check it now and top it off because it will be low.
     
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    Just change the oil out, and be done. It takes all of ten minutes. And forget spending a shitload of money on supercharger oil. Mobile1 10w-30 as Posi said. I've been running mobile1 in my DD for 20k+ miles, with no issues what-so-ever.
     
  7. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    So I was going through the threads that cobracide posted and it seems like the consistency of motor oil and supercharger oil is different. I don't mind spending the money on supercharger oil if its better. Though I also haven't found any occurrences of eaton failures due to fluid type. If I was using motor oil would a lower weight oil than 10w-30 work better? such as maybe 5w-20 or maybe a 0w?

    Thanks guys, I'm new to this whole supercharger thing.
     
  8. Posi

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    I've ran 0W (zero weight) oil in my own blower but it was only for a brief time and then switched back to the 10W-30. There are guys on this site that have many, many thousands of miles on their blowers with 10W-30 but like I said put the blower on a regular oil change interval either way.

    Come back and post how low or how many oz's you get out of the blower please. It's right at 8 oz's to fill it up.
     
  9. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    I'm probably gonna tackle this later this week. I'll post up once i'm done.
     
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    If you have a stock upper, non-ported Eaton, there is absolutely no reason to buy motor oil to put in your supercharger. Spend the big whoppin' 20 bucks and put the tried-and-true, Eaton recommended, OEM spec, 100K mile, supercharger oil.

    If you have a pulley, which I see you do, oil changes are going to be more frequent anyhow due to higher RPM's and heat. Do as you wish.
     
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  11. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    Well i'm gonna pop the plug off the eaton and see what the level is first. If its full and the fluid looks fine then I'll just leave it be.

    If it looks bad then I'll empty it out and put in Mobil 1 since its about 50/50 on the fluid subject. If posi says its fine then I might try the Mobil 1 and just change the fluid at every oil change to be safe. That way I can keep track of the condition of the eaton internals too.

    If anyone has had a bad experience with using Mobil 1 in their eaton let me know. I'm sure others would like to know also.

    Thanks everyone, appreciate the input:beer:
     
  12. cobracide

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    There have been no reported issues that i can recall with anyone using motor oil in their Eaton. A 5- w50 grade full synthetic would be a good alternative to the nye spec most likely. btw - the nye spec is jet engine grade oil. Here are the supercharger manufacturers..

    Eaton
    FAQ for Superchargers
    Q: How often do I need to change the oil in my supercharger?
    A: The sealed oil reservoir in a supercharger is designed to last the life of the vehicle. Changing the oil is not recommended unless you suspect contamination, leakage, or other issues like bearing failure. Also, if your vehicle has an abnormally heavy duty cycle, such as racing or towing, you could consider changing the oil at regular intervals such as 20k, 30k, 50k, or 100k miles depending on usage.
    Q: I’ve decided I need to change the oil in my supercharger. How do I do this?
    A: If you do want to change the oil there is one fill/drain plug on the front face of the front cover. It will probably be an Allen type plug. You will have to suction out the oil using a syringe or other method before replacing with new oil. Fill levels are dependent on application. For aftermarket units, please consult the aftermarket partner company that produced that specific kit. For OEM units, please see the list below or email [email protected]. New oil can be obtained from any GM or Ford service parts facility, or from one of the Eaton aftermarket supercharger partner companies or remanufacturers. Please make sure you do NOT use any other type of oil, including synthetic motor oils. These will cause failure.


    whipple:
    http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/pdf/AutomotiveMaintenance.pdf
    a. Lysholm compressor ONLY: every 25,000 to 300,000 miles with 5-50 wt.
    full synthetic motor oil
    b. New Whipple compressor ONLY: every 75,000 to 100,000 miles with one of
    the following oils. Whipple part number SCOIL-155 (W140) or SCOIL-200
    (W200), Ford Motorcraft part number XL-4, or GM part number 12345982.

    Kenne Bell:
    http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/SuperchargerOil.pdf
    Do not use just “any oil” in the Kenne Bell supercharger. It utilizes unique gears and seals that can be adversely affected by some
    oils. Therefore, Kenne Bell recommends using only the Kenne Bell factory supplied supercharger oil. We know better than anyone
    what oil blend works best in our superchargers and do not care to debate the issue with anyone.
    We use a special blend based on Redline Synthetic 50W Racing Oil with a blue die that colors the clear oil so it can be seen on the
    supercharger oil dipstick. The standard Redline 50W oil is so clear and pure that there is no color to the oil. Cost of this oil blend
    from Kenne Bell is $4.50 and comes in a special plastic easy to use dispenser bottle.
    We use Redline oil because we believe it to be the best oil available. That does not imply that other oils are not perfectly adequate
    for engines or transmissions.
    For normal use, we recommend changing the oil every 12,000 miles. Severe use will require more frequent changes.
    The standard bottle holds 7 ounces and - depending on the kit - the supercharger takes approximately 5 ounces.

    Eaton M112 Supercharger oil. - Bob Is The Oil Guy
     
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  13. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    Aight guys, I popped the plug on the supercharger and fluid started to stream out. I was on level ground so I assume it is full. The fluid didn't look too bad anyways. I might try my hand at using the GM supercharger oil.

    cobracide, I also read on a few other sites that people had success using turbine oil(jet engine oil). Think someone used BP-2380. Properties:
    Kinematic Viscosity 100°C 4.97 cSt ASTM D-445
    Kinematic Viscosity 40°C 24.2 cSt ASTM D-445

    how would this work?
     
  14. cobracide

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    Given all the info at hand, I stick to spec nye 805. It's really that simple. The cSt is not even close to whatever you are looking at.
     
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  15. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    Ok, I'm gonna go to some GM dealerships to hunt down some supercharger fluid. I've read that the GM and Ford oil is the same, and I also read that they are different. I know the Ford stuff is synthetic. Not sure about the GM stuff though.
     
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    Read above again, they are EXACTLY the SAME.
     
  17. VT4ever

    VT4ever New Member Established Member

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    Cool, that'll save me a few bucks then.

    Thanks for the help,
    Chris
     

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