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CobraBob

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wait, Bob… is that for real? You all over there dont have to defend yourselves with a firearm in case of imminent bodily harm??? Dafuq!!!
First off, you're blessed to live in the "promised land" with it stand-your-ground law. I'm sure you know how different gun laws are up here in states like NY, CT and MA, where you're heavily restricted as far as what you can and can't do. Here, for example, if a thug attempts to break into your home, you're expected to call the police and retreat to a safe area in your home. If at that point the thug breaks down your bedroom door, and is intent on seriously harming you or shooting you, you can defend yourself with your gun. If the thug tries to break down your bedroom door, yelling "I'm going to kill you", and if unsuccessful goes back towards the front door, you cannot shoot him...you have to allow him to retreat. If you shoot someone retreating, it's pretty much a given that you'll be arrested and charged with assault or worse. A close friend of mine is a cop (Sargeant) in my town, so I'm pretty well versed on what I CAN do, what I SHOULD do, what I SHOULDN'T do, and what I CAN'T do. I really envy you folks in the fine state of Florida where common sense favors the intended victim.

I carry all the time, but honestly I'm not comfortable with what I'd do if I was put in a defensive situation. It's easy to say I'd defend myself, my family, or others, but it's nowhere near a cut and dry as it is down in Florida. Stand-Your-Ground protection should be nationwide!
 

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First off, you're blessed to live in the "promised land" with it stand-your-ground law. I'm sure you know how different gun laws are up here in states like NY, CT and MA, where you're heavily restricted as far as what you can and can't do. Here, for example, if a thug attempts to break into your home, you're expected to call the police and retreat to a safe area in your home. If at that point the thug breaks down your bedroom door, and is intent on seriously harming you or shooting you, you can defend yourself with your gun. If the thug tries to break down your bedroom door, yelling "I'm going to kill you", and if unsuccessful goes back towards the front door, you cannot shoot him...you have to allow him to retreat. If you shoot someone retreating, it's pretty much a given that you'll be arrested and charged with assault or worse. A close friend of mine is a cop (Sargeant) in my town, so I'm pretty well versed on what I CAN do, what I SHOULD do, what I SHOULDN'T do, and what I CAN'T do. I really envy you folks in the fine state of Florida where common sense favors the intended victim.

I carry all the time, but honestly I'm not comfortable with what I'd do if I was put in a defensive situation. It's easy to say I'd defend myself, my family, or others, but it's nowhere near a cut and dry as it is down in Florida. Stand-Your-Ground protection should be nationwide!
That criteria sounds like a bunch of bullshit that can’t be proved in court…dead men tell no tales, just say’n…
 

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I don't take legal advice from cops. I don't see how I can prove that the person that was shot was retreating and/or was no longer a threat but I can easily see a DA saying he wasn't not a deadly force threat for whatever reason they think. There's no black and white "clean" self defense shooting imo. You can easily get charged. Hopefully you have insurance so it doesn't bank rupt you if you do get charged.
 

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I agree and she was completely within her right to defend herself and her property, she should have shot sooner, not liable.

Yea, it appears I wasnt being clear enough either. Her dog should have been on a leash in a suburban area like that but I doubt it would have changed anything. Using a firearm on a small/medium size dog dramatically ups the risk (imho) for collateral damage or injury especially when firing towards a paved road and in a neighborhood that looks dense like that. Ive been attacked by dogs before, a dog that size and in an area like that I would have pinned and gutted. And yes I understand I would most likely get bitten up in the process.

Firing on a dog attacking another dog in the situation I saw in the video is not worth the risk in my opinion. Its a different situation entirely if that were a person or a child being attacked however.

I understand what you mean now.

Definitely logical.

Problem I see is that she very likely wouldnt not have that skill set (ability to pin down/gut the dog and the emotional strength to do so).

Firearm for her, at that time, was her best recourse… (the best approach for that situation would have been for that cuck of a guy, to choke his own dog unconscious).
 

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First off, you're blessed to live in the "promised land" with it stand-your-ground law. I'm sure you know how different gun laws are up here in states like NY, CT and MA, where you're heavily restricted as far as what you can and can't do. Here, for example, if a thug attempts to break into your home, you're expected to call the police and retreat to a safe area in your home. If at that point the thug breaks down your bedroom door, and is intent on seriously harming you or shooting you, you can defend yourself with your gun. If the thug tries to break down your bedroom door, yelling "I'm going to kill you", and if unsuccessful goes back towards the front door, you cannot shoot him...you have to allow him to retreat. If you shoot someone retreating, it's pretty much a given that you'll be arrested and charged with assault or worse. A close friend of mine is a cop (Sargeant) in my town, so I'm pretty well versed on what I CAN do, what I SHOULD do, what I SHOULDN'T do, and what I CAN'T do. I really envy you folks in the fine state of Florida where common sense favors the intended victim.

I carry all the time, but honestly I'm not comfortable with what I'd do if I was put in a defensive situation. It's easy to say I'd defend myself, my family, or others, but it's nowhere near a cut and dry as it is down in Florida. Stand-Your-Ground protection should be nationwide!

I know what you are saying, Bob. I believe it. Some states are definitely ASS BACKWARDS. Its a shame really. To be honest, even in TX or FL you have to worry about falling within the jurisdiction of a woke DA.

Liberalism has infected our nation. Some states way more than others.
 

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That criteria sounds like a bunch of bullshit that can’t be proved in court…dead men tell no tales, just say’n…

depending on the state and DA. Sometimes yes and sometimes no, but that is a helluva point…

better judged than carried away.

I don't take legal advice from cops. I don't see how I can prove that the person that was shot was retreating and/or was no longer a threat but I can easily see a DA saying he wasn't not a deadly force threat for whatever reason they think. There's no black and white "clean" self defense shooting imo. You can easily get charged. Hopefully you have insurance so it doesn't bank rupt you if you do get charged.

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An owner needs to control his dog. It's doubtful this was the larger dog's debut aggressive event. A proper collar/ harness and even a muzzle is simple enough if the dog is known to be aggressive.

A person walking their dog should be able to go down the street without being set upon by a charging, yappy thing. Probably not the first time it has been loose in the front yard and being a dick. If your dog does that and you won't make the effort to train it, leave it in the house or back yard.

Fair result:

Fine to large dog guy for not controlling his dog.

Fine to shooter for loose dog harassing the public.

Big dog guy should have to reimburse the woman for ammunition and she should have to give her dog to the guy as restitution. Everyone is happy.
 

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Nope. Not even close.


Although her dog was not on a leash. Her dog NEVER left her property. The little guy charged but stopped within the confines of their property. The little dog never actually came anywhere close to making contact with the big dog (Even if it had made contact with the big dog, so as long as it is inside its property, it is entitled to do so).

The big dog went “beast mode” because the guy was a ****ing chump and failed to properly train / secure his dog. Which resulted to in the shitty outcome. Then to add insult to injury, fails to show any accountability and instead, like a sack shit, tries to blame the lady. ****ing loser.

Don’t give a shit what you think, her dog was not on a leash which is strike one, regardless of whether it was on her property, which is a violation. Her discharging of a firearm, while possibly falling into the protecting life or property subsection of FL statute 790.15, was a direct result of her failure to contain the dog and goes toward liability. 595, 767 and whatever else I don’t feel like looking into cover most of this. The dog being walked could also be considered as protecting the owner if you want to get down to the nitty gritty. Her property has absolutely nothing to do with those factors which is why FL has a percentage liability clause within the statute. Same would go for said dumbass not having the leash properly secured around the dogs neck.

As I said, both at fault for not securing the animals. Argue with the logic all you want because it tugs at your heart strings. Doesn’t change the fact it’s a dumbass take.
 

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Don’t give a shit what you think, her dog was not on a leash which is strike one, regardless of whether it was on her property, which is a violation. Her discharging of a firearm, while possibly falling into the protecting life or property subsection of FL statute 790.15, was a direct result of her failure to contain the dog and goes toward liability. 595, 767 and whatever else I don’t feel like looking into cover most of this. The dog being walked could also be considered as protecting the owner if you want to get down to the nitty gritty. Her property has absolutely nothing to do with those factors which is why FL has a percentage liability clause within the statute. Same would go for said dumbass not having the leash properly secured around the dogs neck.

As I said, both at fault for not securing the animals. Argue with the logic all you want because it tugs at your heart strings. Doesn’t change the fact it’s a dumbass take.

There is no strike one. The only person that fail to contain their dog was the guy.

”Argue with logic”, eh? Lol… you are literally the one guy here that thinks this way and do not understand the “law of the land”….

Sorry you see this through liberal logic, it must be tough. :LOL:
 

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I don't take legal advice from cops. I don't see how I can prove that the person that was shot was retreating and/or was no longer a threat but I can easily see a DA saying he wasn't not a deadly force threat for whatever reason they think. There's no black and white "clean" self defense shooting imo. You can easily get charged. Hopefully you have insurance so it doesn't bank rupt you if you do get charged.
The burden of proof is on the courts to prove your guilt, that’s if it even goes to a trial, as in a grand jury decided there was criminal conduct and you are indicted. I don’t see many scenarios in a typical home invasion where the homeowner defending his family even goes past the grand jury, most are no billed.
 

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The burden of proof is on the courts to prove your guilt, that’s if it even goes to a trial, as in a grand jury decided there was criminal conduct and you are indicted. I don’t see many scenarios in a typical home invasion where the homeowner defending his family even goes past the grand jury, most are no billed.
I'm aware and I agree.
 

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Those dumbass YouTube videos never let me view on here for some reason. It won’t let me sign in to see them either.
 

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And now I can watch it but had to log out of my account here and just be an anonymous lurker. Weird. She definitely FAFO!
 

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This cockroach is about to find out when he gets to prison… dont think they will be kind to his type:

 

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This cockroach is about to find out when he gets to prison… dont think they will be kind to his type:


He even looks like what you'd expect a chi-mo to look like with that high fade come-over, stupid porn stache, and thick-rimmed glasses.
 

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