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Armed citizen stops potential mass shooter as Missouri Walmart
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<blockquote data-quote="MarcSpaz" data-source="post: 16264315" data-attributes="member: 183445"><p>I am not going to tell you not to be engaged in civil conversation. I think most of us would only tell someone off if they are being an emotional ass... of which you are not. You bring up a few valid points. I would like to respond general, as your posts, quoted above, has a lot to unpack.</p><p></p><p>There are a few things to consider in this situation. One is a well know point of "just because you can, that doesn't mean you should." Virginia is an open-carry state as well. It is very legal to openly carry any weapon with some limits on firearm ammo capacity in some cities. </p><p></p><p>I have openly carried an AR several times before, as well as openly carrying pistols at least weekly (though I have a CHP). As many AR owners are aware, ~100 rounds of ammo is nothing. One mag in the weapon and two spares.</p><p></p><p>However, with the current state of affairs, many people have a heightened state of fear. That includes pro-2a people. Knowing this, it is in very bad taste to dress like a hunter or in military-like garb, body armor, grab your AR and run to the nearest Walmart. Even if the rifle is just snug to your back, damn near everyone is going to be on red-alert.</p><p></p><p>If this guy's intent wasn't to shoot the store up, he still committed a crime of causing fear and intimidation with a firearm. And this crime doesn't require proof on intent, either. The code varies state to state, but they are typically written along the lines of "if a reasonable person would have reason to fear loss of life or gross bodily harm of themselves or others." The same qualifiers also apply to justification of use of deadly force.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully you can agree where the issue is with the guy using an AR and the justification (thus no charges) for the civilian that held him at gunpoint as the chaos ensued. If not, no big deal... it doesn't change the facts of the case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MarcSpaz, post: 16264315, member: 183445"] I am not going to tell you not to be engaged in civil conversation. I think most of us would only tell someone off if they are being an emotional ass... of which you are not. You bring up a few valid points. I would like to respond general, as your posts, quoted above, has a lot to unpack. There are a few things to consider in this situation. One is a well know point of "just because you can, that doesn't mean you should." Virginia is an open-carry state as well. It is very legal to openly carry any weapon with some limits on firearm ammo capacity in some cities. I have openly carried an AR several times before, as well as openly carrying pistols at least weekly (though I have a CHP). As many AR owners are aware, ~100 rounds of ammo is nothing. One mag in the weapon and two spares. However, with the current state of affairs, many people have a heightened state of fear. That includes pro-2a people. Knowing this, it is in very bad taste to dress like a hunter or in military-like garb, body armor, grab your AR and run to the nearest Walmart. Even if the rifle is just snug to your back, damn near everyone is going to be on red-alert. If this guy's intent wasn't to shoot the store up, he still committed a crime of causing fear and intimidation with a firearm. And this crime doesn't require proof on intent, either. The code varies state to state, but they are typically written along the lines of "if a reasonable person would have reason to fear loss of life or gross bodily harm of themselves or others." The same qualifiers also apply to justification of use of deadly force. Hopefully you can agree where the issue is with the guy using an AR and the justification (thus no charges) for the civilian that held him at gunpoint as the chaos ensued. If not, no big deal... it doesn't change the facts of the case. [/QUOTE]
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