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Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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<blockquote data-quote="Silver Talon" data-source="post: 16109048" data-attributes="member: 192437"><p>I've got a cool story to tell, and it comes with a disclaimer too!</p><p></p><p>I'm new here, but been a ford nut and a car nut since my first mustang at the age of 19, back in 2003. I've been in the auto business since 04, and can't seem to get out of it, lol. I don't know any of you guys in person, but have sent some messages and gotten some window stickers and invoices for ~25 of you. I'm going to give you some info on the GT500 that I received in September of 2016.</p><p> </p><p>Pre-cool story story:</p><p></p><p>At the time I was a Territory sales manager for Autozone. I handled relations between 12 or so of our stores to all of their commercial accounts each store had. Every fall, Autozone has an expo with a ton of their vendors, on whats new, changed, etc etc. Its also a chance to speak to these vendors directly and ask questions that seem to always come up out in the field, and or personal experience on things. We basically saw cool stuff coming, and picked on vendors that had shitty products.</p><p></p><p>My district manager and myself spent the day together walking around. We made sure to stop and see our big new vendor that we had just picked up, and also had exclusive rights to. It's still around I believe, but isn't exclusive to Autozone any more. It was a product called NanoMT. It was developed for the military and mainly their apache helicopters, but used after its success, in many other applications for them. We are speaking with their president, and I believe two of their engineers about their pretty stout claims on improvements their products offer.</p><p></p><p>One of their engineers turns to me and asks if I like mustangs. I scoffed as I pulled out my phone and commenced to show him pics of my current (pre-Shelby at the time), and 4 previous mustangs, and slew of other ford vehicles I have. He said he also worked/works with Roush racing, I cant remember in what fashion now. He told me about the rear ends in their trans am? racing cars that he was working with. He said that they built the GT350's rear ends so well, that they had a 2-3% parasitic loss in them. They used a 500hp dyno input and would measure the output at the axle. Most of them came out to around 487 to 488 hp to the axle, or 12 or 13hp. They had it down to a science! I was impressed. Then he said with just the addition of their new nano diff fluid, the exact same rear end, with just a fluid change, would have its loss nearly cut in half! They consistently saw 491-495 horse out of them. And that's on a rear end that's been raced with and tweaked with for years!</p><p></p><p>We moved onto the 5.2 and the problems they were having with the exhaust manifolds breaking after nearly every race, due to the inherent flat plane crank problems of vibration.</p><p></p><p>That's when we moved onto the new (current) GT500</p><p></p><p>Cool story:</p><p></p><p>The next thing I know, we are talking about the long rumored but little spoke about GT500. He asks me if I had a guess as to what it was. I stabbed at a turbo 5.0 or maybe even a 6.2 with a blower. He quickly dismissed both, but mentioned the turbo 5.0 had been talked about, and even tested in different trims, but said pretty clearly, that it was never meant for a GT500. He never elaborated beyond that, and I honestly don't know how he would know this, beyond his affiliation with Roush.</p><p></p><p>What he did say next, has proven to be true over the last few months. He told me that it would be a 5.2, but would absolutely not have a flat plane crank in it, but that it would still rev really well. We talked briefly about that for a min, and mostly it was an education for me on flat vs cross, and what other factors lead to an engine being "rev" happy, other than a flat plane crank.</p><p></p><p>He said that it would be more than 700hp too. They had a point to prove, that dodge couldn't be top dog. At the time I don't think the demon or red eye were known about yet by Ford. He said they had the engine mostly done, but were working on some survivability and exact HP that they wanted to be at. He mentioned a few things that honestly I have forgotten since then. I wouldn't be surprised if its about the oiling system, as the new 500 has some trick stuff in it with redesigned squirters I think I read, and an active oil pan baffle system? This could be what they were working on at the time, obviously I have no way of knowing.</p><p></p><p>He also said it would be supercharged as well, but would be a different setup than usual. He didn't specify, and I didn't ask either. He did mention that they were trying to manage weight, and that the switch from the flat plane was going to help with weight some, due to the reduced need for external balancing and vibration issues the 350 has.</p><p></p><p>He showed me some of his personal cars, and some of the race cars they had and that he was involved in, and in general was just an awesome guy to speak to. I had no reason not to believe him, and only spoke to a few people about this since we talked in 2016.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silver Talon, post: 16109048, member: 192437"] I've got a cool story to tell, and it comes with a disclaimer too! I'm new here, but been a ford nut and a car nut since my first mustang at the age of 19, back in 2003. I've been in the auto business since 04, and can't seem to get out of it, lol. I don't know any of you guys in person, but have sent some messages and gotten some window stickers and invoices for ~25 of you. I'm going to give you some info on the GT500 that I received in September of 2016. Pre-cool story story: At the time I was a Territory sales manager for Autozone. I handled relations between 12 or so of our stores to all of their commercial accounts each store had. Every fall, Autozone has an expo with a ton of their vendors, on whats new, changed, etc etc. Its also a chance to speak to these vendors directly and ask questions that seem to always come up out in the field, and or personal experience on things. We basically saw cool stuff coming, and picked on vendors that had shitty products. My district manager and myself spent the day together walking around. We made sure to stop and see our big new vendor that we had just picked up, and also had exclusive rights to. It's still around I believe, but isn't exclusive to Autozone any more. It was a product called NanoMT. It was developed for the military and mainly their apache helicopters, but used after its success, in many other applications for them. We are speaking with their president, and I believe two of their engineers about their pretty stout claims on improvements their products offer. One of their engineers turns to me and asks if I like mustangs. I scoffed as I pulled out my phone and commenced to show him pics of my current (pre-Shelby at the time), and 4 previous mustangs, and slew of other ford vehicles I have. He said he also worked/works with Roush racing, I cant remember in what fashion now. He told me about the rear ends in their trans am? racing cars that he was working with. He said that they built the GT350's rear ends so well, that they had a 2-3% parasitic loss in them. They used a 500hp dyno input and would measure the output at the axle. Most of them came out to around 487 to 488 hp to the axle, or 12 or 13hp. They had it down to a science! I was impressed. Then he said with just the addition of their new nano diff fluid, the exact same rear end, with just a fluid change, would have its loss nearly cut in half! They consistently saw 491-495 horse out of them. And that's on a rear end that's been raced with and tweaked with for years! We moved onto the 5.2 and the problems they were having with the exhaust manifolds breaking after nearly every race, due to the inherent flat plane crank problems of vibration. That's when we moved onto the new (current) GT500 Cool story: The next thing I know, we are talking about the long rumored but little spoke about GT500. He asks me if I had a guess as to what it was. I stabbed at a turbo 5.0 or maybe even a 6.2 with a blower. He quickly dismissed both, but mentioned the turbo 5.0 had been talked about, and even tested in different trims, but said pretty clearly, that it was never meant for a GT500. He never elaborated beyond that, and I honestly don't know how he would know this, beyond his affiliation with Roush. What he did say next, has proven to be true over the last few months. He told me that it would be a 5.2, but would absolutely not have a flat plane crank in it, but that it would still rev really well. We talked briefly about that for a min, and mostly it was an education for me on flat vs cross, and what other factors lead to an engine being "rev" happy, other than a flat plane crank. He said that it would be more than 700hp too. They had a point to prove, that dodge couldn't be top dog. At the time I don't think the demon or red eye were known about yet by Ford. He said they had the engine mostly done, but were working on some survivability and exact HP that they wanted to be at. He mentioned a few things that honestly I have forgotten since then. I wouldn't be surprised if its about the oiling system, as the new 500 has some trick stuff in it with redesigned squirters I think I read, and an active oil pan baffle system? This could be what they were working on at the time, obviously I have no way of knowing. He also said it would be supercharged as well, but would be a different setup than usual. He didn't specify, and I didn't ask either. He did mention that they were trying to manage weight, and that the switch from the flat plane was going to help with weight some, due to the reduced need for external balancing and vibration issues the 350 has. He showed me some of his personal cars, and some of the race cars they had and that he was involved in, and in general was just an awesome guy to speak to. I had no reason not to believe him, and only spoke to a few people about this since we talked in 2016. [/QUOTE]
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