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2020+ Shelby GT500 Mustang
Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tob" data-source="post: 15792158" data-attributes="member: 83412"><p>I sure hope a DCT wasn't wishful thinking as much as it would bring with it added heft and cost. My apologies if this one doesn't reach fruition but I'm holding out as this would definitely take the car to a much higher level.</p><p></p><p>Today I paid close attention to some of the Tremec Zedelgem (Belgium) plant manager's comments that I saw in a press release. A DCT "allows a car to use two parallel shafts to create different gear ratios. One link is connected to the odd gears, the other is responsible for the even gears and reverse."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Seamless transition from gear to gear behind an engine making 700+/- horsepower would be insane. Or to most anyone here - <em>awesome</em>.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/tremec-gearboxes-for-supercars/" target="_blank">http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/tremec-gearboxes-for-supercars/</a></p><p></p><p>With that in mind, I'm trying to find more than what a simple google search lends answers to. Some interesting snippets:</p><p></p><p>Jurgen laying out Tremec's investment in DCT infrastructure with assembly being shown in the US for 2018. Knowing now that means Wixom which looks to be far from up and running, Tremec has their work cut out for them and needs to be moving at a fairly brisk pace.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457347[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>But is the Ford GT500 a likely recipient of this advanced gearbox? It might seem backwards but pay attention to the dates in the following two articles.</p><p>By <em>August of 2017</em>, Tremec's DCT had caught the interest of Ferrari, McLaren and AMG. Along with "two other prestigious customers." According to this article, Tremec wouldn't disclose who the other two were. Could Ford be one of them?</p><p></p><p><a href="https://gopressmobility.be/2017/08/17/belgian-gearboxes-speed-ferrari-mclaren/" target="_blank">https://gopressmobility.be/2017/08/17/belgian-gearboxes-speed-ferrari-mclaren/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>In a <em>February, 2016 press release</em>, Tremec stated they would be "focuse(d) on the niche market of automatic transmission systems for premium (sports) cars like Ferrari, McLaren, Audi RS, Maserati and Jaguar.....(This) covers applications of double clutch transmissions for both the European and North American car markets."</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/tremec-nominated-as-remarkable-investor/" target="_blank">http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/tremec-nominated-as-remarkable-investor/</a></p><p></p><p>Still difficult to tie anything together based on anything released publicly as far as a Tremec DCT equipped Ford Mustang GT500 goes. Ford has had a relationship with Tremec for a number of years and it looks to clearly have been mutually beneficial. I noticed there is an upcoming symposium at the Ford Conference Center in Dearborn in November. While Tremec is using a file photo, I see a skeletonized DCT on a stand along with a large placard on the wall showing numerous DVT components or sub-assemblies.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457348[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p> Interesting that in June of this year, Tremec will attending the VDI International Congress in Bonn Germany. Also interesting that Tremec has the same image shown (which doesn't mean a heck of a lot) but yet is noted as speaking on their DCT development specifically.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy1/Tobphotobucket/Tremec%20DCT%20Symposium%20in%202018a.jpg~original" target="_blank">http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy1/Tobphotobucket/Tremec DCT Symposium in 2018a.jpg~original</a></p><p></p><p>Due to the fact that Tremec is moving into Wixom specifically for (among other things) DCT production, I'm quite certain it will be a topic of discussion during the symposium at the Ford Conference Center too.</p><p></p><p>So anyway, back to trying to piece together how Tremec could be prototyping and developing in Belgium a DCT unit for use in the Ford GT500. Scouring some more I found some images inside their Zedelgem facility. They are definitely capable of and have been prototyping there.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457349[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457350[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457351[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>I couldn't find any images of transmission cases there that matched the Coyote bellhousing pattern but that has yet to give me pause. In the following photo, a DCT unit is shown up on a table with a flange that would be compatible with a similar to current Ford U-jointed driveshaft (on the transmission end anyway). There's some differences in what I see versus how Ford does it but the point would be that a two-piece steel shaft could once again be used.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457356[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>I also found images of DCT units that were setup with "cup-style" fixed flanges. And while generic S197 Mustangs and '07-'12 GT500's used this style of flange, the '13-'14 GT500 used one in conjunction with a carbon fiber shaft that used CV joints on each end. It was suggested to me that a fiber shaft could make the grade on this car (fingers crossed!) which would make sense in terms of any blubber reduction program the car may be on.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457352[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457353[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't been able to find a shot of a Tremec DCT unit that would allow direct comparison to the tiny snippet you see in the brake rotor photo previously posted. The bellhousing would be different but I see similar casting/ribbing "characteristics." A reach? Maybe, as one could argue they see similarity with the new 10-speed auto as well. Fair enough. Finding passenger side shots of the transmission hasn't been easy but here is one I found that is closest for comparison, albeit at an angle that doesn't exactly match the one in the leaked rotor photo...</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457354[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>She's a porker for sure but highly sophisticated and one that could potentially change the game for quite some time. Stick-only fans may not want this one but after what I've learned I do. Badly.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1457355[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tob, post: 15792158, member: 83412"] I sure hope a DCT wasn't wishful thinking as much as it would bring with it added heft and cost. My apologies if this one doesn't reach fruition but I'm holding out as this would definitely take the car to a much higher level. Today I paid close attention to some of the Tremec Zedelgem (Belgium) plant manager's comments that I saw in a press release. A DCT "allows a car to use two parallel shafts to create different gear ratios. One link is connected to the odd gears, the other is responsible for the even gears and reverse." Seamless transition from gear to gear behind an engine making 700+/- horsepower would be insane. Or to most anyone here - [I]awesome[/I]. [URL]http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/tremec-gearboxes-for-supercars/[/URL] With that in mind, I'm trying to find more than what a simple google search lends answers to. Some interesting snippets: Jurgen laying out Tremec's investment in DCT infrastructure with assembly being shown in the US for 2018. Knowing now that means Wixom which looks to be far from up and running, Tremec has their work cut out for them and needs to be moving at a fairly brisk pace. [ATTACH=full]1457347[/ATTACH] But is the Ford GT500 a likely recipient of this advanced gearbox? It might seem backwards but pay attention to the dates in the following two articles. By [I]August of 2017[/I], Tremec's DCT had caught the interest of Ferrari, McLaren and AMG. Along with "two other prestigious customers." According to this article, Tremec wouldn't disclose who the other two were. Could Ford be one of them? [URL]https://gopressmobility.be/2017/08/17/belgian-gearboxes-speed-ferrari-mclaren/[/URL] In a [I]February, 2016 press release[/I], Tremec stated they would be "focuse(d) on the niche market of automatic transmission systems for premium (sports) cars like Ferrari, McLaren, Audi RS, Maserati and Jaguar.....(This) covers applications of double clutch transmissions for both the European and North American car markets." [URL]http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/tremec-nominated-as-remarkable-investor/[/URL] Still difficult to tie anything together based on anything released publicly as far as a Tremec DCT equipped Ford Mustang GT500 goes. Ford has had a relationship with Tremec for a number of years and it looks to clearly have been mutually beneficial. I noticed there is an upcoming symposium at the Ford Conference Center in Dearborn in November. While Tremec is using a file photo, I see a skeletonized DCT on a stand along with a large placard on the wall showing numerous DVT components or sub-assemblies. [ATTACH=full]1457348[/ATTACH] Interesting that in June of this year, Tremec will attending the VDI International Congress in Bonn Germany. Also interesting that Tremec has the same image shown (which doesn't mean a heck of a lot) but yet is noted as speaking on their DCT development specifically. [URL='http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy1/Tobphotobucket/Tremec%20DCT%20Symposium%20in%202018a.jpg~original']http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy1/Tobphotobucket/Tremec DCT Symposium in 2018a.jpg~original[/URL] Due to the fact that Tremec is moving into Wixom specifically for (among other things) DCT production, I'm quite certain it will be a topic of discussion during the symposium at the Ford Conference Center too. So anyway, back to trying to piece together how Tremec could be prototyping and developing in Belgium a DCT unit for use in the Ford GT500. Scouring some more I found some images inside their Zedelgem facility. They are definitely capable of and have been prototyping there. [ATTACH=full]1457349[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1457350[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1457351[/ATTACH] I couldn't find any images of transmission cases there that matched the Coyote bellhousing pattern but that has yet to give me pause. In the following photo, a DCT unit is shown up on a table with a flange that would be compatible with a similar to current Ford U-jointed driveshaft (on the transmission end anyway). There's some differences in what I see versus how Ford does it but the point would be that a two-piece steel shaft could once again be used. [ATTACH=full]1457356[/ATTACH] I also found images of DCT units that were setup with "cup-style" fixed flanges. And while generic S197 Mustangs and '07-'12 GT500's used this style of flange, the '13-'14 GT500 used one in conjunction with a carbon fiber shaft that used CV joints on each end. It was suggested to me that a fiber shaft could make the grade on this car (fingers crossed!) which would make sense in terms of any blubber reduction program the car may be on. [ATTACH=full]1457352[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1457353[/ATTACH] I haven't been able to find a shot of a Tremec DCT unit that would allow direct comparison to the tiny snippet you see in the brake rotor photo previously posted. The bellhousing would be different but I see similar casting/ribbing "characteristics." A reach? Maybe, as one could argue they see similarity with the new 10-speed auto as well. Fair enough. Finding passenger side shots of the transmission hasn't been easy but here is one I found that is closest for comparison, albeit at an angle that doesn't exactly match the one in the leaked rotor photo... [ATTACH=full]1457354[/ATTACH] She's a porker for sure but highly sophisticated and one that could potentially change the game for quite some time. Stick-only fans may not want this one but after what I've learned I do. Badly. [ATTACH=full]1457355[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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