Another cases study in why ICE is not going away

[Klaus]

It is the jobs. The earth does not vote. Workers do. Despite all the gloom and doom about EVs taking over, this is pure fantasy for many reasons but the obvious reason is the massive disruption to labor markets. Germany is just beginning to get a taste of this. Their economy revolves around exports and exports of ICE autos are huge.

Germany’s Economy, Once Europe’s Engine, Is Holding It Back

Germany’s export-oriented businesses have fared poorly in a post-pandemic world of broken supply chains and rising energy prices. The malaise is fueling a debate over whether the German economy needs a reboot and what it should look like.

www.wsj.com

"Germany’s automotive industry, by far the biggest in Europe, supports about 800,000 German jobs and accounts for 5% of the nation’s overall economic output. Three-quarters of cars made in Germany are exported."

“Germany’s entire business model is at stake,” said Oliver Bäte, CEO of German financial-services group Allianz SE. “If we get energy transition wrong, our economic core gets into trouble and an economic crisis becomes inevitable.”

Germany effectively is the euro zone. The ripple effects of this are tremendous and will prove totally unpalatable to the broad electorate.

 

[SID297]

It takes far fewer workers to build an EV than an ICEV. Much of the major component construction is fully automated.

 

[blk02edge]

I think the problem with this thought is the governments don't GAF and the people are so tunnel visioned that they believe the sky is falling. I still believe we are in for a hell of a ride. People think 2020/2021 was crazy... Just wait

Many countries were just willing to absolutely steam roll the economy over a new type of flu bug with a 99.999% survival rate. Wait until the "climate crisis" becomes even more scary

 

[Deceptive]

If the argument is that ICE is not going away because pissed off voters then the retards writing these articles have not been paying attention.


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[DSG2003Mach1]

I think the problem with this thought is the governments don't GAF and the people are so tunnel visioned that they believe the sky is falling. I still believe we are in for a hell of a ride. People think 2020/2021 was crazy... Just wait

Many countries were just willing to absolutely steam roll the economy over a new type of flu bug with a 99.999% survival rate. Wait until the "climate crisis" becomes even more scary

they want everyone sitting home collecting universal income, depending on the government for their very existence anyway.

ICE isn't going anywhere anytime soon but I will say with all the bullshit maintenance and repairs I've had to do lately - having a vehicle without a typical cooling/oil systems to leak, turbos to fail, no more oil changes, spark plugs, coil packs, a million sensors etc... has it's appeal.

 

[VRYALT3R3D]

All of the major German auto manufacturers have already announced they are transitioning to EVs and they are no longer spending money developing ICE vehicles. ICE is pretty much at the sunset of its existence. OEMs have to keep their strategies flexible and agile. The reality is that manufacturing EVs reduce labour content by 25% and suppliers won't invest in building tooling for a product that will be seeing the end of its run soon. Sure, ICE might be around but "only as local market conditions allow."

If traditional automakers don't change, they will be crushed by the EV start ups. Executives at major automakers are acutely aware of that threat and they know that many people within their company don't take the threat seriously. Farley and Diess have laid out the cold-hard facts and made it quite clear that the ugly truth is that the last 100 years of processes are outdated and they need to learn and adapt far more quickly.

Ford CEO gives employees sobering data about Tesla, challenges ahead

Ford employees urged to stay strong and focused as unprecedented competition grows.

www.freep.com

 

[Dirks9901]

Nope. EV’s will be forced down our throats. Hope you like driving a blender. Oh and if you think they will continue to produce 9 second EV’s you’re in for a shock. Those are the carrot on the string for the idiots. As soon as EV ramps up, the grid will be maxed. Charge times and charge use will be heavily restricted. The average person doesn’t give a shit about your 9 second Tesla. Enjoy everyone.


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[Weather Man]

ICE is not gonna survive, the manufacturers are already all in due to the mandates.

I started the below thread because of the amazing amount of EV news that was pouring in and I didn't see it anywhere else. The number of EV manufacturers is amazing, almost like it was at the dawn of ICE.

Interesting Car/Truck Manufacturer News

Ford seen struggling to return to +10% margins Sep. 1, 2020 8:12 AM ET|About: Ford Motor Company (F)|By: Clark Schultz, SA News Editor UBS weighs in on reports that Ford (NYSE:F) plans to cut more jobs in North America at the salaried level. "The announced headcount reductions are aimed at...

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[q6543]

The nitty gritty is they want total knowledge of Miles driven for your new mileage tax.

Imagine ....1...2...5...10$ tax levied per mile driven with total knowledge.
That's the endgame, they want us walking or on bicycles.
Driving is for the elites.

 

[Stangra]

The nitty gritty is they want total knowledge of Miles driven for your new mileage tax.

Imagine ....1...2...5...10$ tax levied per mile driven with total knowledge.
That's the endgame, they want us walking or on bicycles.
Driving is for the elites.

Would you like to see all those EV drivers paying their fair share? Mileage didn't matter before because tax is built-in to the price of every gallon. Or do we replace all that revenue by upping the gas tax more? Or electricity tax?

 

[blk02edge]

Would you like to see all those EV drivers paying their fair share? Mileage didn't matter before because tax is built-in to the price of every gallon. Or do we replace all that revenue by upping the gas tax more? Or electricity tax?

They'll continue to up gas tax cuz whos going to stop them... But you can count on EV's getting taxed per mile as well, and it won't be cheap either

 

[quad]

I think the problem with this thought is the governments don't GAF and the people are so tunnel visioned that they believe the sky is falling. I still believe we are in for a hell of a ride. People think 2020/2021 was crazy... Just wait

Many countries were just willing to absolutely steam roll the economy over a new type of flu bug with a 99.999% survival rate. Wait until the "climate crisis" becomes even more scary

Yes governments don't GAF and they don't care about saving lives either. That's a croc of shit and don't believe one word of that. Politicians are useless sacks of shit!

 

[apex svt]

Crucial issue, the grid isn’t ready for it. That’s overlooked heavily. You’re talking a massive increase in kW with more and more power facilities being “replaced” by renewables that don’t work worth a F.

Charging at home shares the same issue, transformer capacity, underground cable, etc are only set to draw so much in residential areas.

Who’s this expense get put on to revamp the country to support this.

EV fast chargers draw so much kW that they require as much infrastructure as a normal truck stop and some. With much higher costs incurred with demand billing. Which is pretty standard for commercial industrial.

 

[derklug]

Ice is dead except for a couple of manufacturers making specialty vehicles and heavy equipment. Can't picture fire departments running electric trucks when a hurricane has wiped out the grid.

 

[Silverstrike]

Ice is dead except for a couple of manufacturers making specialty vehicles and heavy equipment. Can't picture fire departments running electric trucks when a hurricane has wiped out the grid.

Funny you say that as guess what emergency and military are exempt from this, which just shows you what a cluster this is going to be for all of us down the road.

 

[Klaus]

Another issue with EVs: They probably cost more to operate than ICE. To this point the assumptions are built on very low electricity prices. It does not take much to blow this out of the water. We are probably there now.

How Much Do Electric Vehicles Cost to ‘Fill Up’ Compared With Buying Gasoline?

As global auto makers turn their fleets electric, drivers are thinking differently about fuel—and whether operating an EV is really much cheaper than gasoline.

www.wsj.com

 

[Blk04L]

Ice is dead except for a couple of manufacturers making specialty vehicles and heavy equipment. Can't picture fire departments running electric trucks when a hurricane has wiped out the grid.

That would be terrible being picked up in a climate change causing ICE ambulance. Think I rather slowly bleed out in my post hurricane destroyed house than contribute to global warming white supremacy engines




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[VRYALT3R3D]

Ice is dead except for a couple of manufacturers making specialty vehicles and heavy equipment. Can't picture fire departments running electric trucks when a hurricane has wiped out the grid.

The gas pumps run on electricity too, so you are screwed either way.

 

[Klaus]

The gas pumps run on electricity too, so you are screwed either way.

Are electricity costs a significant amount of the cost of gas at the pump?

 

[thomas91169]

So a couple things are all at play here. One is that the powers that be don't give a shit if the masses or infrastructure isnt ready for it, or that its going to cause economic crisis. That's part of the plan to kill capitalism/free market and usher in socialism. Two is they want you to buy into the EV, so they can bait n switch you into more control. Climate Change lockdowns are next on the table after seeing how complaint the masses were to covid lockdowns, and you wont be able to drive or charge your car on certain days because invisible changes that cannot be quantified are your fault as a human, but the elites will still fly around in private jets 400 deep to a magical island where emissions dont exist.

If EVs were evolving naturally and became a more cost effective solution naturally, then id be all for it. But they're not. They're being pushed as a solution by regulating away ICE and fossil fuels, making them expensive so EV's look like a better option. Even Elon isnt keen on regulations that push EV as even he says the infrastructure isnt ready for it, and he is worried about mass implementation backfire.

Best case scenario I see is that people who get EV's and the next couple years they get sick of waiting 1hr at charging stations, or get sick of not being able to charge due to rolling blackouts at winter or summer, and all sell their EVs and return to ICE. The manufacturers that go full EV may not survive if this happens, and good, **** em. The ones that keep a portion of their fleets ICE and then can quickly switch back will make a murdering.

This is why I favor secession of red states from blue. Red states will not likely deviate away from ICE as they understand its a much better energy density value than EV. I believe I saw on some youtube vid that 1cc of gasoline had more energy per volume than one cubic foot of battery. The faster states rid themselves of blue cancer the faster they can get back to pure Americanism.