51 Year Old Man Punches 12 Year Old Girl

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Watch the video. Doing what I have done for a number of years....a great number of years I will say this.

1. Yes I would have helped the girl being jumped. I have step into situations like that before.
2. NO I would have not pushed the little girl or engaged with her.
3. Yes it is hard to keep emotions in check, and yes he did THE WRONG THING by pushing her.
4. By pushing her he indeed escalated the issue. Yes when he punched her the rest ran, but indeed the law will frown on that, and by the 911 calls you see the results.
5. Yes youth today are bad. But sorry, to many of you are watching far to many "Boys n da Hood" movies to think a 11 year old is packing heat.
6. After he broke up the fight, he should have escorted her back INDOORS, to a store perhaps where the doors could have been locked, or the Mall security could have been forced to act.
7. From what I saw he looked around as if he was panicked. I'm sure if he would have put some bass in his voice and put some choice commands together, while escorting her to safety, they would have backed off.

Many things can have been done looking back on this situation, but in truth, some people do not know or understand HOW to deal with a situation. I applaud this man for stepping in, but his actions afterwards were not any better than the group there to fight. It should tell you if a group of girls are coming to fight someone, they may not back down from you. All of this has to be noted and accessed before you move into action. Sometimes good intentions leads to bad decisions. This is one of those times.
 

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Sometimes you have to take action to ensure everyone remains safe. That’s a hard line to define, but if your actions are not quite enough to disarm the situation...that’s when someone REALLY gets hurt. Sometimes you have to take more than what some people consider the “perfect” amount of action because, at that moment you felt it was necessary.

In this case, sure the derelict girl got punched. I’m sure it hurt. Probably quite a bit. But in the end she will be physically fine, and everyone else survived without major injury. To me, this is an absolute win, and the man is absolutely justified and should be applauded for what he did.
 

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Watch the video. Doing what I have done for a number of years....a great number of years I will say this.

1. Yes I would have helped the girl being jumped. I have step into situations like that before.
2. NO I would have not pushed the little girl or engaged with her.
3. Yes it is hard to keep emotions in check, and yes he did THE WRONG THING by pushing her.
4. By pushing her he indeed escalated the issue. Yes when he punched her the rest ran, but indeed the law will frown on that, and by the 911 calls you see the results.
5. Yes youth today are bad. But sorry, to many of you are watching far to many "Boys n da Hood" movies to think a 11 year old is packing heat.
6. After he broke up the fight, he should have escorted her back INDOORS, to a store perhaps where the doors could have been locked, or the Mall security could have been forced to act.
7. From what I saw he looked around as if he was panicked. I'm sure if he would have put some bass in his voice and put some choice commands together, while escorting her to safety, they would have backed off.

Many things can have been done looking back on this situation, but in truth, some people do not know or understand HOW to deal with a situation. I applaud this man for stepping in, but his actions afterwards were not any better than the group there to fight. It should tell you if a group of girls are coming to fight someone, they may not back down from you. All of this has to be noted and accessed before you move into action. Sometimes good intentions leads to bad decisions. This is one of those times.

I agree with almost everything up to #5. You have a false sense of security if you don’t think an 11 year old might be carrying a deadly weapon or that putting some bass in your voice will scatter a mob (regardless of age or gender).
 

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Watch the video. Doing what I have done for a number of years....a great number of years I will say this.

1. Yes I would have helped the girl being jumped. I have step into situations like that before.
2. NO I would have not pushed the little girl or engaged with her.
3. Yes it is hard to keep emotions in check, and yes he did THE WRONG THING by pushing her.
4. By pushing her he indeed escalated the issue. Yes when he punched her the rest ran, but indeed the law will frown on that, and by the 911 calls you see the results.
5. Yes youth today are bad. But sorry, to many of you are watching far to many "Boys n da Hood" movies to think a 11 year old is packing heat.
6. After he broke up the fight, he should have escorted her back INDOORS, to a store perhaps where the doors could have been locked, or the Mall security could have been forced to act.
7. From what I saw he looked around as if he was panicked. I'm sure if he would have put some bass in his voice and put some choice commands together, while escorting her to safety, they would have backed off.

Many things can have been done looking back on this situation, but in truth, some people do not know or understand HOW to deal with a situation. I applaud this man for stepping in, but his actions afterwards were not any better than the group there to fight. It should tell you if a group of girls are coming to fight someone, they may not back down from you. All of this has to be noted and accessed before you move into action. Sometimes good intentions leads to bad decisions. This is one of those times.

Are you implying that you are/were LE?

If so, then you know not to judge with hindsight, but judge what was happening and what the person was thinking/perceiving at the moment action was taken.

Was it necessary for him to push her in response to being pushed by her and, subsequently, approached by her? Was he creating space?

After being pushed by the man, she came at him with her fists up. Is this a normal/expected response by a kid towards an adult? I would say no. Should he stand there a take a physical assault? No. He threw one punch and stopped.

He interjected himself into a situation to help someone and was faced with abnormal and aggressive/assaultive actions. The video, at least what's presented here, doesn't show him using an excessive amount of force or initiating physical contact.
 

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No it does not show that. And I said that you cannot Monday QB the situation now. But I am saying, even base off the 911 calls....A GROWN MAN just COLDCLOCKED a CHILD. Not one message but several said that. Now explain how the response would be coming into that situation.

Sure he took a shove in the back. Ok. He then put himself in the middle of a mob, all hyped up, raring to do something. Of course the leader of this crew is going to show she is tough. As she walks up to him, he shoves her across the field. Unfortunately, IMO that was the wrong response. Of course she is going to be ready to fight if nothing else to prove she is not afraid and she is a badass. At this point he escalated the situation to dropping her. Sure she will survive, sure he could do it, But look at the optics to people watching the moment NOW.

A GROWN MAN JUST COLDCLOCKED A CHILD !!! OMG !!! WTF !!! You see to these people they may not have seen what lead to this. They see a GROWN 51 YEAR OLD MAN hitting a child HARD. VERY HARD. Like he would hit another man his size. Those optics, are not good. And that is the point. he put himself in a worse position by reaching out with emotions.

What will happen from this point is hard to say. I hope he does indeed not be punished. But a lesson should be learned for him as well. Hopefully he reflects on it.
 

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Clearly, we disagree.

He did not escalate the situation by "dropping" her. LEO's, when presented with pre-fight indicators and/or an imminent threat, are not required to wait for the attack before acting. They can strike first, in an attempt to subdue the individual. A private citizen should be afforded that same ability. Of course, only the least amount of force necessary should be used and can change with the level of resistance.

She presented pre-fight indicators and an imminent threat. He acted by striking first and only throwing one punch.

Are the optics bad? Sure. Rarely, is anyone tried correctly/appropriately in the court of public opinion. Fortunately, we have courts of law.

Hopefully, if the majority of our opinions are correct about the whole situation, the DA will drop the charges against the man.
 

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Watch the video. Doing what I have done for a number of years....a great number of years I will say this.

1. Yes I would have helped the girl being jumped. I have step into situations like that before.
2. NO I would have not pushed the little girl or engaged with her.
3. Yes it is hard to keep emotions in check, and yes he did THE WRONG THING by pushing her.
4. By pushing her he indeed escalated the issue. Yes when he punched her the rest ran, but indeed the law will frown on that, and by the 911 calls you see the results.
5. Yes youth today are bad. But sorry, to many of you are watching far to many "Boys n da Hood" movies to think a 11 year old is packing heat.
6. After he broke up the fight, he should have escorted her back INDOORS, to a store perhaps where the doors could have been locked, or the Mall security could have been forced to act.
7. From what I saw he looked around as if he was panicked. I'm sure if he would have put some bass in his voice and put some choice commands together, while escorting her to safety, they would have backed off.

Many things can have been done looking back on this situation, but in truth, some people do not know or understand HOW to deal with a situation. I applaud this man for stepping in, but his actions afterwards were not any better than the group there to fight. It should tell you if a group of girls are coming to fight someone, they may not back down from you. All of this has to be noted and accessed before you move into action. Sometimes good intentions leads to bad decisions. This is one of those times.


Do you have a longer video link?
 

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No it does not show that. And I said that you cannot Monday QB the situation now. But I am saying, even base off the 911 calls....A GROWN MAN just COLDCLOCKED a CHILD. Not one message but several said that. Now explain how the response would be coming into that situation.

Sure he took a shove in the back. Ok. He then put himself in the middle of a mob, all hyped up, raring to do something. Of course the leader of this crew is going to show she is tough. As she walks up to him, he shoves her across the field. Unfortunately, IMO that was the wrong response. Of course she is going to be ready to fight if nothing else to prove she is not afraid and she is a badass. At this point he escalated the situation to dropping her. Sure she will survive, sure he could do it, But look at the optics to people watching the moment NOW.

A GROWN MAN JUST COLDCLOCKED A CHILD !!! OMG !!! WTF !!! You see to these people they may not have seen what lead to this. They see a GROWN 51 YEAR OLD MAN hitting a child HARD. VERY HARD. Like he would hit another man his size. Those optics, are not good. And that is the point. he put himself in a worse position by reaching out with emotions.

What will happen from this point is hard to say. I hope he does indeed not be punished. But a lesson should be learned for him as well. Hopefully he reflects on it.

Why do you not place any blame on the "child" for:

1) Starting the situation by shoving the man, and
2) Reacting with emotions BEFORE the man reacted with the emotions you blame him for?

It's pretty obvious you have a soft spot for the kid.
 

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Anyone who thinks an 11 year old pre-teen could not, or would not carry or use a knife or gun is living in a dreamworld.

The reality is in the urban culture it’s all about respect, and if you show your peers that you are willing to maim or kill you get respect. Pre-teens are attested frequently for murder, assault with deadly weapon, theft and any number of crimes.

I’m Broward County Florida, their are crime rings that specially use 12-16 year old kids to commit their crimes, Including car theft, home invasion and armed robbery. The liberal scum politicians and justice system have a policy that allows these kids mutiple arrests before any harsh punishment, as there were too many black youth being locked up. So they get three to four strikes, which emboldens them as a protected class. So no matter the age, if confronted by a 12-14 year old they could already be a hardened criminal with multiple arrests.. but the liberal scum put back on the street ton terrorize more people because it’s wrong to lock them up.

Anyone who’s been a LEO knows that the minute you assume someone won’t hurt you, is when they do, and ordinary citizens are afforded the same ability to protect themselves as LEO.
 

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5. Yes youth today are bad. But sorry, to many of you are watching far to many "Boys n da Hood" movies to think a 11 year old is packing heat."

Maybe we just read the news... From today's WashPo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crim...old-boy/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7b17c5abe114

"John Duane VanMeter was lying on the floor when police found him. He had been killed in his home by a masked shooter, his girlfriend told police.

The suspect, Texas police later announced, is a child — a 12-year-old boy now charged with the most serious felony: capital murder."

"The Uvalde Police Department said the killer dressed in all black, covered his face with a black bandanna and broke into VanMeter’s home in Uvalde, about an hour and a half west of San Antonio. Police did not offer a motive."
 

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Weird world we live in. Grown men need to cower from little punk kids according to some. You guys act like you never had an ass whooping by 11. Kid learned a lesson I hope she takes with her the rest of her life. Equality is a bitch when it smacks you in the face.

Man, woman or child, act like a pack of wild animals, get treated like animals. Guy was justified, and did the right thing. I hope the kids went home and got another ass whooping.
 

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Weird world we live in. Grown men need to cower from little punk kids according to some. You guys act like you never had an ass whooping by 11. Kid learned a lesson I hope she takes with her the rest of her life. Equality is a bitch when it smacks you in the face.

Man, woman or child, act like a pack of wild animals, get treated like animals. Guy was justified, and did the right thing. I hope the kids went home and got another ass whooping.


The problem is the kids weren’t getting ass whoopings to begin with
 

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