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At $4/Gal it’s roughly half the cost to run the Lightning as it is my focus. But the focus only costs me about $100/month to fuel.

$50/month savings isn’t that impressive considering the cost of the Lightning.

I really want to reserve these discussions for when we got hard numbers but as of right now, the math doesn’t work. And math is math. It doesn’t change and it doesn’t care about politics or feelings.
And the best part is that in 8 years the focus will still keep getting the same milage per tank and an EV will need a $30,000 investment to not be a huge paperweight. I think this is the part that most people lose sight of. I hear a lot of "well ill just trade it in before that" comments and this makes me think the resale for this junk will be next to zero as it will be hot potato to get out of the vehicle in time before the next $30,000 battery needs to be purchased.
 

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And the best part is that in 8 years the focus will still keep getting the same milage per tank and an EV will need a $30,000 investment to not be a huge paperweight. I think this is the part that most people lose sight of. I hear a lot of "well ill just trade it in before that" comments and this makes me think the resale for this junk will be next to zero as it will be hot potato to get out of the vehicle in time before the next $30,000 battery needs to be purchased.

Yea I have no clue what the maintenance or reliability will be over time. I’m definitely going to track that and we’ll see where things land.

I’d be shocked if Ford didn’t build this to last. They really seemed to put their thoughts into the Lightning.
 

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And the best part is that in 8 years the focus will still keep getting the same milage per tank and an EV will need a $30,000 investment to not be a huge paperweight. I think this is the part that most people lose sight of. I hear a lot of "well ill just trade it in before that" comments and this makes me think the resale for this junk will be next to zero as it will be hot potato to get out of the vehicle in time before the next $30,000 battery needs to be purchased.
Yea, that is the big wild card and I believe a whole industry will quickly spring up based on this. Now how eco-freaks will respond to all that strip mining for battery materials, will be interesting. I rarely keep a vehicle longer than 5 years, so I will hopefully be able to avoid this is I ever go EV. Well, it looks like I should be saying "when I go EV" as I do not think we will be given the choice in the long run. We just have to hope price will come down and range will go up.
 

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Also, charging infrastructure.

I am also seeing states tacking more taxes on EVs and hybrids in an effort to make up for lost gas tax revenue. Soon EVs will be like streaming services vs cable. Started out as affordable to maintain, but soon the cost will eclipse ICE in all areas. Sad, but government greed and overspending knows no bounds.
 

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Yea, that is the big wild card and I believe a whole industry will quickly spring up based on this. Now how eco-freaks will respond to all that strip mining for battery materials, will be interesting. I rarely keep a vehicle longer than 5 years, so I will hopefully be able to avoid this is I ever go EV. Well, it looks like I should be saying "when I go EV" as I do not think we will be given the choice in the long run. We just have to hope price will come down and range will go up.

They won’t care because they have no understanding of how energy gets from the plants to the road or from the pumps to the road.

All they know is they’re told EVs are better.

They are wrong.
 

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2022 F-150 Lightning EV | Driving Impressions & First Look | Game Changer
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Ford is moving full steam ahead with its plans for vehicle electrification. The Blue Oval’s modern EV era kicked off last year with the launch of the Mach-E SUV. It was a ground up design that Ford poured untold millions of development dollars into. However; when it came time to pivot to Ford’s bread-and-butter market segment, full-size trucks, the crew in Dearborn took a different approach. They took the already stellar 2021+ F-150 cab, tweeked it a bit around the edges, and bolted it all to a unique EV chassis.

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Ice Blue Silver Metallic may be may current favorite F-150 color option.

The result is the all-new 2022 F-150 Lightning. I know many of the SVTP faithful may not be thrilled with this latest application of the legendary Lightning nameplate, but I’m going to ask you to put those feelings aside and come at this one with an open mind. This Lightning packs a 131kWh battery pack, dual motors with a locking rear differential, 580HP & 775TQ, and 330 miles of available of range. Those specs barely scratch the surface.


This is a longer video, but these Ford engineers go in depth on the Lightning's electrical architecture/systems/capabilities.

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Independent rear suspension with coilover shocks is a new setup for the F-150. I like this version much more than the setup found on Expedition.

You also over a ton of payload capacity, 10,000 pounds of towing capability, and a mid-4 second 0-60 time. That’s all before we talk about any of the Pro-Power On Board feature. Essential, the Lightning can be used to conservatively power a typical house for well over a week. Everywhere you look, both inside and out, you will find a variety of electrical outlets. There’s an entire panel full of them inside the frunk, which can also hold several hundred pounds of cargo and doubles as an ice chest.


We explored every Lightning model Ford had on hand. I found the lower trim level interiors quite impressive for the money.

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You can fit a lot of stuff in the space formerly occupied by a DOHC V8.

I know a lot of you guys are interested in the trucks range while towing, but the basic answer is that it’s highly variable. You have consider the weight and aerodynamic drag of the load, the terrain you’re traversing, speed you’re running, traffic conditions, temperature, etc. Luckily, Ford has developed a cloud based system that takes all those data points from you, and potentially many many thousands of other Lightning owners, to accurately predict your range while towing. That’s one of many software features loaded into the Lightning that helps make the ownership experience simple.


Though my time behind the wheel of the new Lightning was brief, I was able to get a feel for certain characteristics that impressed me. I'm looking forward to the chance to perform a more detailed review.


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All the frame componentry seems to be very heavy duty. This lower control arm bolt is huge.

I really feel that it is something Ford spent quite a bit of time striving for, and they accomplished it. Anyone who has spent any time at all in a newer F-150 will be instantly feel comfortable behind the wheel of a Lightning. While I was only able to get a very limited amount of seat time, I do feel I was able to get a decent grasp on some of the driving dynamics. First; other than the Gen 3 Raptor, the Lightning is easily the best riding and driving new F-150 you can buy.

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That's a somewhat different warning message...

I realize that’s a strong statement, but that was my major takeaway. The Lightning Exclusive independent rear suspension is tuned to perfection for general on road use. I’ve not hesitated to critique the ride of the main-line F-150s over the past several years. I feel those spring and shock packages have been tuned too softly. All that changes with Lightning. The suspension feels firm and substantial without being harsh. I’ll tentatively say that the chassis dynamics engineers should be proud, but I’m going to withhold my final judgment until I get more real-world miles under me in this truck.

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I like the styling of this new badge.

After my brief drive, I switched off with one of Ford’s professional drivers to take a ride-along highlighted by a full throttle (maximum potentiometer???) blast. Ford has made a point to tout the acceleration performance of the Lightning EV, and it is impressive for what it is. No; you’re not going to challenge a Mach-E GT with it, but it is quickest currently available F-150. There’s something to be said about that, especially considering that the Lightning has a 6,900 pound curb weight. You’re looking at a sub-5 second 0-60, and a nearly silent ride getting there.

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You'll notice that all the Lightning exclusive wheels have been designed with aerodynamic efficiency in mind.

I thoroughly enjoyed my limited time in San Antonio with the new F-150 Lightning. The presentations were quite in-depth, and I’m really just scratching the surface of the details surrounding Ford’s latest EV. However, I can guarantee you that I will be bringing you a much more detailed assessment of the truck in the hopefully near future. Until then; all I can say is that if you get a chance to drive the new F-150 Lightning, take it. I think you’ll be surprised how good it really is.

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The Lightning Pro is the base model, but it still has a very nicely appointed interior.


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Myself I’m not into crew cabs but this new lightning will be like all the e-card & trucks when the armature on those electric motors will wear down just like ur alternates then, see what you pay for a new motor . It will slowly lose power as it wears down too
 

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As someone who once worked for a Ford dealer, there was one general rule of thumb we all knew well and never spoke about. NEVER buy the first model of anything. They are plagued with issues. They live in the service department for an inordinate amount of time. Idiotic people pay absurdly high prices over sticker to buy them no less. The problems that people seem so willing to overlook with an EV?
1) Ford, GM, whoever. They are all forecasting massive EV sales in the next 1-3 years. There isn't enough lithium production on earth to support such sales. Thus expect delay after delay after delay as production numbers fail to hit forecasts.
2) Lithium batteries. It's like everyone just brain fogs out and forgets how bad the battery life on their phone SUCKS. After about 6 months the damn thing just drops like a rock. I have a 10 month old iPhone. It's battery management software says it's max charge today is 87%. Not the kind of shit I want to deal with in my truck I tow with. And I don't even use my phone that much.
3) Anyone else seen a lithium battery explode and burn? Seen video's of people standing in line and their vape explodes sending sparks flying from their pants. As a former mechanic, you know why EV's have giant orange power cables under the hood? That tells the FD where they can safely cut the power before trying to extract you from the mangled wrecked car that could potentially kill them trying to save you. Now imagine what happens in a car accident when those batteries short and go into flames, right under your ass that is stuck in the smashed vehicle. No thanks.

I say all that as a guy who owns a golf cart company and deals with electrics every single day. The new lithium craze is in our market to, and it's been nothing but a freaking nightmare. BMS's fail, carts are dead. Warranty takes weeks if not months. We can't even get lithium batteries right now, much less when you start seeing demand skyrocket for dealers for cars, which only serves to reinforce number 1.
And finally, there is one automaker who has avoided EV's all the way until the government pressure made them do them. Toyota. Only just this year have they decided to release an electric. They have invested their money in other tech like hydrogen because they know that electric will be prone with issues. They finally caved to the pressure to be like everyone else lest they be accused of being unfriendly to the planet. Which is laughable, considering the amount of pollution just making the battery creates, much less the power to keep it charged.
 

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At $4/Gal it’s roughly half the cost to run the Lightning as it is my focus. But the focus only costs me about $100/month to fuel.

$50/month savings isn’t that impressive considering the cost of the Lightning.

I really want to reserve these discussions for when we got hard numbers but as of right now, the math doesn’t work. And math is math. It doesn’t change and it doesn’t care about politics or feelings.

Double post...
 
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At $4/Gal it’s roughly half the cost to run the Lightning as it is my focus. But the focus only costs me about $100/month to fuel.

$50/month savings isn’t that impressive considering the cost of the Lightning.

I really want to reserve these discussions for when we got hard numbers but as of right now, the math doesn’t work. And math is math. It doesn’t change and it doesn’t care about politics or feelings.

At ¢10.7 per kilowatt-hour (my current rate not sure on yours) charging an EV with fully a depleted 98 kWh battery will cost about ~$10.50 to reach a full charge....assuming the 230 mile range is accurate that would be a cost of ~¢4.5 per mile.

At $4/Gal if your Focus gets 40mpg your cost per mile would be ~¢10/mile so the Lightning would cut your fuel costs by more than 50%....

So what this vehicle could save someone a month all depends on their current mpg and how much they spend on fuel....if you spend $1000/mo this truck would save you $500+/month at current costs...If you only spend ~$100 month on gas then yah its only gonna save you ~$50....math is math.

Looking at someone who is shopping for new F150 if you compare the lightning to a new F150 5.0 that gets 23mpg on highway, at $4/Gal you're paying ~¢17.4/mile....if you drive 2000 mi/month then your looking at difference of spending $350/mo on fuel vs $90/month on electricity.
 

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At ¢10.7 per kilowatt-hour (my current rate not sure on yours) charging an EV with fully a depleted 98 kWh battery will cost about ~$10.50 to reach a full charge....assuming the 230 mile range is accurate that would be a cost of ~¢4.5 per mile.

At $4/Gal if your Focus gets 40mpg your cost per mile would be ~¢10/mile so the Lightning would cut your fuel costs by more than 50%....

So what this vehicle could save someone a month all depends on their current mpg and how much they spend on fuel....if you spend $1000/mo this truck would save you $500+/month at current costs...If you only spend ~$100 month on gas then yah its only gonna save you ~$50....math is math.

Looking at someone who is shopping for new F150 if you compare the lightning to a new F150 5.0 that gets 23mpg on highway, at $4/Gal you're paying ~¢17.4/mile....if you drive 2000 mi/month then your looking at difference of spending $350/mo on fuel vs $90/month on electricity.

I think you're forgetting conversion losses.
 

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I think you're forgetting conversion losses.

I dont think so.


"Like I mentioned before, all states are different can vary in electricity cost. If you want to calculate how much it would cost for you to charge at home then all you need to do is take the price of electricity and multiply it by the size of the battery divided by 100. For example, how the Ford Lightnings has a standard battery size of 98 kWh, divide 98 by 100 to get .98, then multiply .98 by 14.19 (the average cost of electricity) to get $13.91, which would be the cost to fully charge the Ford Lightning."

.98 x 10.7 = $10.486/230mi = 0.045/mi
 

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I dont think so.


"Like I mentioned before, all states are different can vary in electricity cost. If you want to calculate how much it would cost for you to charge at home then all you need to do is take the price of electricity and multiply it by the size of the battery divided by 100. For example, how the Ford Lightnings has a standard battery size of 98 kWh, divide 98 by 100 to get .98, then multiply .98 by 14.19 (the average cost of electricity) to get $13.91, which would be the cost to fully charge the Ford Lightning."

.98 x 10.7 = $10.486/230mi = 0.045/mi

Yeah, that formula doesn't take conversion loss into consideration.
 

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Yeah, that formula doesn't take conversion loss into consideration.

I stand corrected. I was not taking it into account.

.98 x 1.15 x 10.7 = $12.058/230mi = 0.052/mi

Not a big difference though. It increases the cost per mile by less the 1 cent, and it's still big savings on fuel compared to a traditional truck or even a fuel efficient car like a focus
 
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I stand corrected. I was not taking it into account.

.98 x 1.15 x 10.7 = $12.058/230mi = 0.052/mi

Not a big difference though. It increases the cost per mile by less the 1 cent, and it's still big savings on fuel compared to a traditional truck or even a fuel efficient car like a focus
Not when you factor pre paying for the battery when you purchase the vehicle and then re paying for a new battery after 8 years. This form of energy is neither free or cheap. There are zero savings and a huge cost at both the time of purchase and every 8 years of ownership.
 

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Not when you factor pre paying for the battery when you purchase the vehicle and then re paying for a new battery after 8 years. This form of energy is neither free or cheap. There are zero savings and a huge cost at both the time of purchase and every 8 years of ownership.

I need to look at 10 year old use EV prices. I've been seeing a lot of 2009-2011 Escape Hybrids come up for sale with fairly low mileage and failed batteries. Granted, battery technology has improved a lot in that time. However, that's an expensive piece of hardware to have to replace just due to age.
 

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At ¢10.7 per kilowatt-hour (my current rate not sure on yours) charging an EV with fully a depleted 98 kWh battery will cost about ~$10.50 to reach a full charge....assuming the 230 mile range is accurate that would be a cost of ~¢4.5 per mile.

At $4/Gal if your Focus gets 40mpg your cost per mile would be ~¢10/mile so the Lightning would cut your fuel costs by more than 50%....

So what this vehicle could save someone a month all depends on their current mpg and how much they spend on fuel....if you spend $1000/mo this truck would save you $500+/month at current costs...If you only spend ~$100 month on gas then yah its only gonna save you ~$50....math is math.

Looking at someone who is shopping for new F150 if you compare the lightning to a new F150 5.0 that gets 23mpg on highway, at $4/Gal you're paying ~¢17.4/mile....if you drive 2000 mi/month then your looking at difference of spending $350/mo on fuel vs $90/month on electricity.

Here’s the kicker…

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How longs it gonna take me to recoup 75,000.00 in at the pump costs?

Spoiler, it never happens lol.
 

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They also touted a 300 mile range with the Mach e. My buddy has one and he said your lucky if you get 175 out of a full charge that takes 37 hours to accomplish. Good luck with this 37 hours at the plug for 175 miles or 5 minutes at the pump for 400. I think that’s a no brainer. I bet the range will increase when hauling the payload capacity. LOL!!
 

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