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<blockquote data-quote="tt335ci03cobra" data-source="post: 16275618" data-attributes="member: 68944"><p>Win the argument if you think he’s wrong. What can you provide as info for and against the topics discussed?</p><p></p><p>Just telling someone to stop talking, and avoiding giving a counter argument is not what forums are meant for. These are discussion chambers.</p><p></p><p>I’d love someone to spell out a secret formula for keeping a build mod mill together. Near I can tell, it’s stock displacement, strong parts, e85, moderate compression, ecu control, and time, testing, tuning which all costs big money collectively.</p><p></p><p>A $2500 f150 coyote with 8-10psi from a turbo will hold and make 700-800whp for a while given a responsible and proactive owner/driver/builder/tuner network.</p><p> </p><p>My point is on cost it’s night and day. Yes you can build up a 4.6 mod mill to basically do what a 5.0/5.2 are doing but it’s honestly way more expensive. You can take a 5.4 past the coyote performance levels with 11/1, e85, built rotating assembly, built heads, etc but again yer spending double to ten fold.</p><p></p><p>It’s sure neat to see and appreciate, but if track days and actual racing is the goal, it’s not an option unless you easily clear tens of thousands of leisure dollars every year. A guy who owns a well ran profitable business or has a high paying career job could play with all the parts and have other cars for the down time, but it’s not responsible to press the idea in a blue collar $20-30/hr guy or gals head that it’s anything but an involved pita to buy, contract a build, or build yourself a trick full tilt mod mill.</p><p></p><p>On potential, an aluminum 5.4 Ford GT supercar mill/car from 2005 can be fully built to run 2500whp+ and 280mph but you’ll offset buying a 3500sq ft 3 floor .3 acre property north of $600k to do so. And it will drive like a race car.</p><p></p><p>The potential exists to make 1100whp from a 2L civic engine, but you don’t go around telling people to go copy that because yer not a sadistic person that wants to see their advice ruin more bank accounts and kill car enthusiasm.</p><p></p><p>Sound wise, an 8 second Honda is terrible compared to a 9 second coyote. Who cares.</p><p></p><p>A stockish bolt on 2v 4.6 with headers back and a nice catless h pipe running a perfect minimalist muffler making maybe 275whp will sound better than a fully built 1000whp Chevy zl1.</p><p></p><p>Buy and drive what you like and want, but pass off realistic advice. Let’s not poison the boards with advice that can easily go bad for lots of people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tt335ci03cobra, post: 16275618, member: 68944"] Win the argument if you think he’s wrong. What can you provide as info for and against the topics discussed? Just telling someone to stop talking, and avoiding giving a counter argument is not what forums are meant for. These are discussion chambers. I’d love someone to spell out a secret formula for keeping a build mod mill together. Near I can tell, it’s stock displacement, strong parts, e85, moderate compression, ecu control, and time, testing, tuning which all costs big money collectively. A $2500 f150 coyote with 8-10psi from a turbo will hold and make 700-800whp for a while given a responsible and proactive owner/driver/builder/tuner network. My point is on cost it’s night and day. Yes you can build up a 4.6 mod mill to basically do what a 5.0/5.2 are doing but it’s honestly way more expensive. You can take a 5.4 past the coyote performance levels with 11/1, e85, built rotating assembly, built heads, etc but again yer spending double to ten fold. It’s sure neat to see and appreciate, but if track days and actual racing is the goal, it’s not an option unless you easily clear tens of thousands of leisure dollars every year. A guy who owns a well ran profitable business or has a high paying career job could play with all the parts and have other cars for the down time, but it’s not responsible to press the idea in a blue collar $20-30/hr guy or gals head that it’s anything but an involved pita to buy, contract a build, or build yourself a trick full tilt mod mill. On potential, an aluminum 5.4 Ford GT supercar mill/car from 2005 can be fully built to run 2500whp+ and 280mph but you’ll offset buying a 3500sq ft 3 floor .3 acre property north of $600k to do so. And it will drive like a race car. The potential exists to make 1100whp from a 2L civic engine, but you don’t go around telling people to go copy that because yer not a sadistic person that wants to see their advice ruin more bank accounts and kill car enthusiasm. Sound wise, an 8 second Honda is terrible compared to a 9 second coyote. Who cares. A stockish bolt on 2v 4.6 with headers back and a nice catless h pipe running a perfect minimalist muffler making maybe 275whp will sound better than a fully built 1000whp Chevy zl1. Buy and drive what you like and want, but pass off realistic advice. Let’s not poison the boards with advice that can easily go bad for lots of people. [/QUOTE]
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