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  1. Makobra

    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    are you often surprised people react poorly to you insulting them?

    you said the seams were different, now you're talking about ford gooping extra seam sealer in cobras.

    you need to brush up on your communication skills.

    incorrect.

    im speaking specifically to mustangs. the raptor, for example, actually has substantive chassis differences over the F150. more evidence that you're missing the point of my entire argument.

    i can't answer that unless you define what "chassis dynamics/construct-ability" means. that could not be more convoluted.

    yeah, you've made your point. cobras have extra goop in them in some "strategic places". meanwhile ford couldn't even install all the fenders correctly on my car.

    i guess you'd have to own one and tear it apart to be able to see through the hype so i don't blame you for speaking without knowledge.
     
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  2. SID297

    SID297 OWNER/ADMIN Staff Member Administrator

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    Keep the insults in SD.
     
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    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    I called you an internet engineer. You decided to insult me with a pretty shitty non-PC term. Didn't even use the "it" at the end in reference to the old SD thread to keep it civil.

    I'm sorry, i mistyped and instead of writing out seam sealer i wrote seams. I admit to that **** up. What i tried to type was that the SEAM SEALER which makes the base uni-body on the Cobra significantly more rigid than the V6 and GT uni-bodies. I tried to explain that after but i guess it didn't come across correctly. Either way, is it different construction method on the Cobra uni-body versus the V6/GT uni-body.

    I'm also sorry Ford didn't get your Mustang right but that was 90's QA/QC for the time. If it makes you feel any better, my 2005 GT had only one bumper beam bolt in place when they delivered it. Found out after i wrecked the thing...

    But back to the Cobra/V6 chassis. Yes, the SEAM SEALER additions make the end result uni-body stiffer. I would say that counts as being significantly different than a V6 Mustang even if it is just some "goop".
     
  4. Makobra

    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    That raises questions though.

    By what percentage was chassis rigidity increased by the additional goop?

    Anything less than 5% is insignificant and you're gonna have a hard time convincing me some extra seam sealer made the car more rigid to the extent it could be felt without documentation to back it up.

    You know seam sealer is rubbery right?

    Where was the goop applied?
     
  5. kevinatfms

    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    I don’t know the exact numbers. I’m sure you can find an engineer to comment.

    With that, how far down the rabbit hole would you like to go? Even if it’s 3%(just pulling a number), an engineer some where had to justify that extra cost to get it added to the final product.
     
  6. Makobra

    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    more questions:

    1. how much do you think a few tubes of seam sealer costs ford?
    2. if you can't find the number (which I will contend doesn't exist because the thing you mentioned sounds like an old wives tale) then where did you get this information?
    3. do you think that is more effective than actually connecting the front frame to the rear frame? (the correct answer is no)

    i've been over every inch of this car. there is a lot of goop in the rear wheel wells and in the trunk area. most of that is above or behind the axles.

    the stuff isn't rigid hard, either, its like a tough rubbery substance. you can cut it with a razorblade. ford literally used the stuff to just fill in voids where they failed to make the sheet metal line up properly.

    respectfully, all jokes aside, provide a source or we're done here because i've spent the last two years of my life resurrecting a cobra and fixing a crapton of half measures ford didn't bother with precisely because of the bean counters which is fine given what these cars cost compared to GT's. i.e. not much more.
     
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    HISSMAN The Great Bearded One Staff Member Super Moderator

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  8. kevinatfms

    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    1. A few tubes over a production run? Millions. And there are panel bonding agents that are hard as a rock. Did you debond the unibody or just scrape some crap off? Two different sealing materials and both can be called seam sealer. 3m makes a panel bonding agent seam sealer and a sound attenuation seam sealer.
    Both are used in OEM manufacturing.

    2. The number exists I just don’t have access to those files. If you would like to ask an SVT engineer I’m sure they could dig it up. I’m sorry if I don’t have access. Wish I could.

    3. I didn’t comment on its effectiveness. I commented that if an engineer found that a certain percentage was worth the investment and a bean counter agreed then it was used.

    Were done here. So I’m just going to leave it at that. I don’t need to waste my time any longer on you.




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  9. Makobra

    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    i agree, your time would be better spent learning something about building cars.
     
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    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    Just like you didn’t build yours.


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  11. Makobra

    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    more lies. great. anything else, boy?
     
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  12. kevinatfms

    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    Nope. Have a good day there slick.


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  13. jeffh81

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    A neighbor of mine has one in that color and all. The sumabitch is almost as loud as my GT. The plate keeps throwing me off as it not being 5.0
     
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    I forgot to ask...how bad was the "rev hang" on this car?
    It seems like a lot of late model small displacement cars have heavy flywheels that won't let the revs drop when shifting at max RPM.

    I was really proud of my wife back in the day catching rubber on the 1-2 & 2-3 shift in her old '11 3.7 V6 Mustang...until I realized the rev hang at high RPM was so bad, you were basically power shifting.
     
  15. SID297

    SID297 OWNER/ADMIN Staff Member Administrator

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    I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Those 3.7 cars were not bad. You can probably get one pretty cheap now.
     
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