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  1. SID297

    SID297 OWNER/ADMIN Staff Member Administrator

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    I mostly agree, but I think it's too much to throw the GT350 nameplate in there. It's more in line with a basic performance pack GT. Would be nice if it was a bit edgier. However, you can get the HPP without the PP suspension.
     
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    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    GT350 is just a GT with a body kit and different engine. modern cobra.
     
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    SID297 OWNER/ADMIN Staff Member Administrator

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    That's a bit simplistic.
     
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    HISSMAN The Great Bearded One Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Russell Westbrook is just like me. Just taller, blacker and can actually play basketball.

    Same thing.
     
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    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    sure but what else is there? its not magic, its a special mustang. this one is a less special mustang but probably does very well on a road course.
     
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    CobraBob Authorized Vendor Premium Member Established Member Single Barrel Sirs

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    @Makobra, saying that the GT-350 just a Mustang GT with a body kit and a different engine is definitely simplistic. A HiPo EB is also not a baby GT-350. They've very different. The engineering that goes into the GT-350 is very different from what goes into a HiPo EB Mustang. The engineering steps up higher in the GT-500.
     
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    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    in what way is it different other than the front end, engine, wheel options, and maybe the brakes?
     
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    The list is shorter if you name what is the same.
     
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    Are you serious? Man, you need to take some time to study these models a bit more to know the differences. Wow!
     
  10. Makobra

    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    to the contrary the reason i said what i said is because i'm very familiar with the GT350. I was asking on the off chance you knew of a difference other than the ones i listed and from the sound of it I have my answer...
     
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    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    Engine, transmission, dampers, springs, sway bars, Mag-ride Calibration, aero package, exhaust, misc CRP items.....yeah its not even close.

    And the Cobra was NEVER close to a GT. It literally had different body seam, engine, transmission, suspension, rear end, interior, sail panels, bumpers, skirts, exhaust and misc interior items. Even the stupid airbag was different from the 1999-2004 Cobra to the 1999-2004 GT.

    Even the 1999-2001 Cobra was vastly different than the 2003-2004 Cobra that they cannot even be called the same car.
     
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    Makobra Mostly Peaceful Established Member

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    so, i mentioned drivetrain and aero, exhaust is obvious... so the difference otehr than the stuff i mentioned is like some sway bars, springs, and a software update.

    oh and some badges.

    bolt on parts. nothing substantial. got it. thanks.

    do you have a cobra? this is standard 90's ford production quality. the chassis needed a lot and the tolerances were a joke.
    i've had to fix as many of ford's screwups as I have had to fix bad mods from previous owners.

    I've had a 99 mustang V6 and now have a 97 cobra with an entire 99 cobra drivetrain installed. MY car is substantially different at this point from a standard mustang but what i started with was essentially a mustang with a better engine, brakes, and a body kit.

    obviously the cobra is better like the GT350 is better than the submodels but they aren't this magic carpet ride whole new world like you guys make it out to be.

    therefore, a super hipo 4 banger (a la SVO a la the spiritual cobra grandad from the 80's) is really just a baby GT350.

    this might raise the question "isn't a GT350 a baby gt500" maybe but i wouldn't argue that.

    GT500 is built to dominate in all aspects.

    the 350 is built for road course fun.
    the hipo 2.3 is built for road course fun.

    er go, its like a baby 350.

    i.e. not fully grown, not as good, but catering to the same kind of driver on a smaller budget.

    but what do I know, i've just built cars for like half my life at this point.
     
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    o_O
     
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    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    Im with you. Guy has no ****ing clue what goes into the production of a niche line car versus a production line car.
     
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    I know being an "internet engineer" makes you think you understand but i can tell you from my time actually working in the business that its well more than just "bolt on parts".

    When you get a minute, research a niche line vehicle versus a production vehicle. Perfect example of how much different the Cobra was compared to a GT that they were built on a separate production line. Now take that and apply it to the GT350 and the Mustang GT/2.3L HP Ecoboost.

    And no, i dont have a Cobra. I have a non-niche line Fiesta ST. Yet still, my ST is VASTLY different than a regular Fiesta S/SE/Titanium in that the only thing they actually share is the body and some misc interior/exterior panels. Nearly every component is different than the regular Fiesta cars....IE the drivetrain, suspension, brakes, bracing, seats, interior, HVAC, exhaust, evaporate emissions and windows. You can bolt almost everything from an ST into an S/SE/Titanium car just like you can a Cobra swap but it doesnt take awap the fact that the cars from the factory are completely different.
     
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    Yes.....he's clueless!
     
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    You're talking about cobras having different body seams and shit.
    where are these different body seams? cause i've ripped apart my entire car and if you didn't read the buck tag on the front it'd look like any other mustang rolling chassis.

    it no longer looks that way because i've built more cobras than you. see those frame rails? that's an actual chassis change.

    int1.jpg

    wow look at all the different body seams guys, it has a V6 bumper and hood but trust me its a completely different chassis. /sarcasm

    int2.jpg

    I get it, there's this mystique to the whole special car thing. i see people's faces when i tell them i have a cobra. they think its like a hundred times better than even a GT but the reality is its more like 20% better with the same low level 90's quality ford put into everything of that era.

    the point is you guys are missing why people love mustangs so i'll give you a refresher. they're great because apart from very few exceptions even the special ones are obtainable simply by swapping parts out. thats it.

    the only difference between the super whizz bang awesome mustang and the base model is the stuff bolted to it (With very few exceptions).

    everybody knows the mustang hipo recipe:

    1. better engine
    2. better brakes
    3. better suspension
    4. some appearance indicator (aesthetics)

    shelby cars are no different. same recipe, different ingredients.

    everybody understands food so think of it like this.
    the hipo 2.3 is a 2 layer cake. the GT350 is 3 layer a cake with more sprinkles.

    same target audience: cake eaters.
    different budget levels.
     
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    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    You're truly delusional and obviously have never been on an assembly line nor looked deep enough into the two types of vehicles to figure it out.

    You really think you're gonna see extra seam sealer on the Cobra versus the V6 or GT once they are completed? This isn't a visible stitch weld job bud. Its two panels bonded. You might get some "squish" coming out after they are bonded but that would be up to you to find.



    And an "internet engineer" is exactly that. Some guy, like yourself, who thinks he understands what goes into a niche performance car and accuses the manufacturer of slapping things together. A person who doesn't understand the thousands of hours that goes into engineering a performance variant over its base variant car. But you, internet engineer knows more than those engineers and their "stupid" chassis engineering.

    Good luck with your Mustang. If you ever get a chance head up and take a tour of the niche line. You might understand something at that point.
     
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    seeing as how i removed most of the seam sealer you're talking about and saw ZERO stitch welds anywhere on my chassis and there is zero documentation for your claim (you may be thinking of cobra R variants) I feel it necessary to point out your ample supply of bullshit here.

    my car had no stitch or seam welds until I did them but since I actually build cars that you read about on the internet what do I know?

    you don't know shit about the subject but pontificate as if you do.

    take a walk, boy.
     
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    kevinatfms Ex-Ford/Kia/Hyundai Tech Premium Member Established Member

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    Look here "BOY". I don't need to walk anywhere. I know what im talking about. How about you?

    Did i hit a nerve calling you an "internet engineer"? You seem a bit salty. Should i have called you an armchair quarterback? Couch surfer with an opinion? Drivel-machine? Charlie Browns teacher(wah wah wah)? Garage loonie? Shade tree mechanic? Wanna be engineer?

    You also seem to not have a clue about what seam sealer is. As i said, this isn't a stitch welded car. They add extra seam sealer in key locations to increase rigidity on the higher tiered cars(V6 vs GT vs Cobra). Ford has been using this method for years on every single model line.

    And your logic on all this would then equate into this.....
    Cobra = totted up V6 Mustang
    GT500 = totted up GT
    ZR1 = totted up Corvette Z51
    ZL1 = totted up Camaro V6

    So because the BASE chassis platform pieces of the car are the same that makes the chassis dynamics/construct-ability the same? I'm not talking about sound deadening(even though seam sealer is used for NVH purposes) on the 2000 Cobra R.

    Truly just mind blowing the complete garbage being typed by those fingers of yours. There are some questionable people on this forum but you might just take the cake on people who have no clue what they are talking about.
     
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