2011 Ecoboost F150 driving impressions

[F8L SN8K]

Today I was able to experience the 2011 F150 equiped with the new 3.5L Ecoboost and 6 speed transmission. As most of you know that anyone could sign up to have Ford deliever to you residents or place a buisness for a test drive. Ford is pushing the Ecoboost really hard. With the inclusion of trucks on upcoming CAFE laws affecting companys overal fuel economy rating its easy to see why. The Ecoboost is rated to tow the same amount as the 6.2L and do so getting much better fuel economy. You will be able to option the Ecoboost in the XL(reg cab/super cab), the XLT(all), the FX2/FX4(all), Lariat(all), king ranch, and platinum. {The 6.2 will be standard in Raptor and Harley-Davidson and optional in the Lariat(super crew) and Platinum.}

What was delivered to the house today was a loaded Platinum sporting the Ecoboost. Rated to tow 11,300 lbs and payload of 3,060(mind you the F250 PS payload is 2,430)

Bad stuff:
~You cant hear the turbos while inside the inclosed cabin.
~Back seat still does not lean back quite enough for my liking. Although much improved over earlier F150s still doesn't feel as comfortable as the F250. Could have given up an few inches of leg room to get a few degrees more angle. This is all subject to personal opinion and I'm a professional of MY opinion.
~Intake system will be a popular upgrade I believe on these trucks and they are going to be expensive for all the routing and tubing required espeacially on the inlet side of the turbos. How much power will that and tuning unleash?? I'd guess I fair amount to be worth it.
~Direct-Acting Mechanical Buckets(DAMB) instead of Hydrolic lash adjusters. Although as a great acronym this is going to cost you when you need to have them adjusted. Mazda and others use them and are suppose to an audible check every 75,000 miles(on Mazda) this runs about $4-600 if needing adjusted.
~Still some wind noise when riding in back seat. I believe that has more to do with Areodynamics more then anything else.
~Tailgate assist step still isnt standard. ALRIGHT this isn't bad persay but I just get so tired of going to the local dealers and either no trucks or the high end trucks have them. FORD DEALERS ORDER YOUR TRUCKS WITH THESE>Aftermarket if you can find a way to intergerate these into the older F150s. Making them as clean and functional as Ford, you'd make some money for sure(forget what Howie long and Government motors is jelous they didn't think of)
~The information center as a ton of options and menus. One could spend an hour just going through all of it easily.
~Turn signal took some getting used to as it always returned to the home position. So I found myself hitting it repeatedly when coming up to the turn(which would cancel it in 4 clicks as its programed to do as two quick bumps of the switch is to indicate to the computer overtaking cars or changing lanes) This can be trained out of your brain though after you get used to the new set-up and dont bounce back in forth between you own families cars.


Now the Good.
~YOU CAN HEAR THE TURBOS!!!! when you are outside of the truck as its driving away. Its faint I admit but a VERY nice surprise through the stock exhaust.
~The truck as a very nice tone inside and out when driving. You really dont have the buzzy exhaust note you expect from a V6 truck. Even with the 3.73 and 4.somthing first it doesn't sound like a wound up small displacement engine. It was mellow and much deeper then I expected. STILL not a V-8 sound that everyone is used to but a person not knowing it was a V6 wouldn't drive it and instantly reconize that.
~The seating postion is much more pleasent with giving off a little more feeling of setting in the truck instead of on the truck. The lowered seat position gives off a closer car vibe. Again this is supbject to personal taste and I really like it alot. The rear as a ton of leg room and flat loading.
~Those of you with a wife/GF/Kids will appreciate that you no longer have to flip a few levers to raise the back seat to untilize the rear storage in the cab. Just lift it up. Has a simple handle to lower it back into place after finished.
~The information center as a ton of information!! Once you figure out how to get to whatever information and diagnostics you want it is easily read on the fly while driving.(meaning park the thing until you get the menu you want pulled up then drive).
~You can store up to 10 different trailor settings on board.
~Mass air meter looked suffiecent in size.
~Air to air intercooler mounted in a place where it gets plenty of airflow.
~We were told this engine differs from the SHO on just about everything. Different block casting, beefier internals, different turbos, etc.(Not saying the SHO is bad just we are asking an essentially passenger car engine to do a MUCH more brutal and strenious task)
~Turbos are accessible with removal of the fenderwell liners.
~Turbos are watercooled and even circulate water after the truck is shutoff for a period of time to prevent "coking".
~the 365hp/420trq is rated on 87 octane and 12# of boost. So Premium fuel a tune and a few other mods one could start getting into a fun all around truck.
~Electric Pwr steering was very nice and has a drift function that corrects itself as your driving down bad road or windy conditions with trailer

I'm in the market for a truck and I was convinced I was buying a 2008-2010 6.4 Power stroke until I heard about the 6.2 and Ecoboost coming to the market. and after driving the Ecoboost today I must say it would serve every purpose I would have for the truck. It is getting very very serious consideration over the PS. Based on MY personal needs, maintenace and cost. Yes I generally live my life as excess is barely enough but I think the Ecoboost with a few mods would be a great choice also.(against my nature to leave any of MY vehicles stock).

Trucks are due to go on sale Febuary 2nd. Drive one and I think it will surprise you. Bring your check books if you are in the market for a new truck no matter what brand because you will want this one afterwards. It really blows away it competitors in its segment.

 

[golden_eye]

I never wanted a full size truck without a V8 before, but a lot of the stuff I've been seeing and hearding about the Ecoboost option really makes it look more appealing all the time. Too bad I just bought a new one last year

 

[rich5150]

Thanks for the details. I'm looking forward to driving one.

 

[meaty mac]

(mind you the F250 PS payload is 2,430)

Are you sure about that?

 

[SID297]

I should have a similar post sometime in the near future. Glad you like the truck.

 

[OhIIICobra]

The first V-6 truck I wouldn't mind having since it can actually haul some big stuff like a V-8.

 

[Jroc]

I would never buy this truck. Regardless of how strong the motor is. How good a MPG it gets. If it gives out hand jobs in the morning. I don't care. V8's are just expected when laying down $40K+ for premium trucks. Ford could easily develop a v8 to tear this motor a new one.(a Ecoboost 5.0 for example would easily accomplish this)

I'm a Ford guy, and always have been, but I would buy a Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, Toyota, GMC, and whatever else truck B/F I would buy a highend F150 with a V6. To me this would be like buying a new GT500/Mustang Cobra with a V6.

Will the motor work good? Probably so its a boosted DI motor so its going to make some decent power. Again irrelevant. V8's in fullsized trucks is just an American thing, and I have talked to noone in person who would buy a premium F150 with a v6 in it regardless of how good it is.

Ofcourse there's the Boss V8, but in reality it probably isn't as good for the truck as Ford didn't develop it for it. It's still a heavy, cast iron motor that's old school with no valve timing or any of these other modern technologies. Also Ford will sell a Lariat, I believe KR, Platinum, HD, and Raptor with a Boss motor, but why no Boss motor for the FX4?

Also I would assume that the new 5.0 is a stronger motor than the outgoing 5.4 so why is it rated to work less than the 5.4? Oh yeah that's right they don't want it to take sells away from the new Ecoboost.

Hopefully Ford will up the 5.0's game in the next few years by giving it DI.

 

[mustangc]

I would never buy this truck. Regardless of how strong the motor is. How good a MPG it gets. If it gives out hand jobs in the morning. I don't care. V8's are just expected when laying down $40K+ for premium trucks. Ford could easily develop a v8 to tear this motor a new one.(a Ecoboost 5.0 for example would easily accomplish this)

I'm a Ford guy, and always have been, but I would buy a Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, Toyota, GMC, and whatever else truck B/F I would buy a highend F150 with a V6. To me this would be like buying a new GT500/Mustang Cobra with a V6.

Will the motor work good? Probably so its a boosted DI motor so its going to make some decent power. Again irrelevant. V8's in fullsized trucks is just an American thing, and I have talked to noone in person who would buy a premium F150 with a v6 in it regardless of how good it is.

Ofcourse there's the Boss V8, but in reality it probably isn't as good for the truck as Ford didn't develop it for it. It's still a heavy, cast iron motor that's old school with no valve timing or any of these other modern technologies. Also Ford will sell a Lariat, I believe KR, Platinum, HD, and Raptor with a Boss motor, but why no Boss motor for the FX4?

Also I would assume that the new 5.0 is a stronger motor than the outgoing 5.4 so why is it rated to work less than the 5.4? Oh yeah that's right they don't want it to take sells away from the new Ecoboost.

Hopefully Ford will up the 5.0's game in the next few years by giving it DI.

While I agree with your statement that a V8 is the preferred engine for a powerful fullsize pickup, you are forgetting one drawback that Ford has to deal with. We live in America and (unfortunately) enough of this country was completely in a trance in 2008 to elect a socialist majority in the House, Senate, and the White House. Therefore, fuel economy restrictions and CO2 emissions are in the process of becoming much more stringent.

I agree that V8's are an American thing. Remember that when you talk to your friends and family before they go to the booth and vote for more Socialists.

If the market were driven only by manufacturers supplying what consumers wanted, then there would be more cheap, powerful V8's in our future. But Ford has to find a way to increase the fuel mileage of its full size trucks in order to meet CAFE requirements, while still satisfying the public. The Ecoboost is another option to fullfill this tough requirement. Options are great!!! For those of use who think that the number is cylinders is more important than torque curves or fuel economy, Ford offers the 5.0 and 6.2


BTW, you're wrong about the 6.2, because it DOES have variable cam timing. Because both intake and exhaust valves run on the same cam, the VCT cannot be adjusted independantly (ti-VCT) as they are in a DOHC engine, but the engine does have VCT.

 

[Jroc]

While I agree with your statement that a V8 is the preferred engine for a powerful fullsize pickup, you are forgetting one drawback that Ford has to deal with. We live in America and (unfortunately) enough of this country was completely in a trance in 2008 to elect a socialist majority in the House, Senate, and the White House. Therefore, fuel economy restrictions and CO2 emissions are in the process of becoming much more stringent.

I agree that V8's are an American thing. Remember that when you talk to your friends and family before they go to the booth and vote for more Socialists.

If the market were driven only by manufacturers supplying what consumers wanted, then there would be more cheap, powerful V8's in our future. But Ford has to find a way to increase the fuel mileage of its full size trucks in order to meet CAFE requirements, while still satisfying the public. The Ecoboost is another option to fullfill this tough requirement. Options are great!!! For those of use who think that the number is cylinders is more important than torque curves or fuel economy, Ford offers the 5.0 and 6.2


BTW, you're wrong about the 6.2, because it DOES have variable cam timing. Because both intake and exhaust valves run on the same cam, the VCT cannot be adjusted independantly (ti-VCT) as they are in a DOHC engine, but the engine does have VCT.

Nothings forgotten. I understand 110% about Ford having to deal with this CAFE shit, and its a logical move. Try not to put too much logic behind this though because I do not give damn. I would abandon my brand loyalty to Ford, and go to someone else over this motor.

In one sense this is a very stupid move on Fords part. I'm not the only mofo who thinks like this, and a lot of people dishing out $40K+ on a new truck want to go with the premium motor, and don't want to have to settle for some v6 regardless of how good a motor it is. Ford should of atleast rated the 5.0 to be able to tow/haul/work whatever as good as the Ecoboost so that people wanting a v8 can feel good about their new premium truck, and not "damn my truck gets outdone by some 3.5L v6."

Yes you are right the Boss does have VVT. Its a big boy though and Ford should develop it into an all aluminum motor. They need to try and lighten it up, and it would probably become very popular with hot rodders. The 16v SOHC's are fine because they actually flow unlike POS 2v Modular heads.

 

[mustangc]

Nothings forgotten. I understand 110% about Ford having to deal with this CAFE shit, and its a logical move. Try not to put too much logic behind this though because I do not give damn. I would abandon my brand loyalty to Ford, and go to someone else over this motor.

In one sense this is a very stupid move on Fords part. I'm not the only mofo who thinks like this, and a lot of people dishing out $40K+ on a new truck want to go with the premium motor, and don't want to have to settle for some v6 regardless of how good a motor it is. Ford should of atleast rated the 5.0 to be able to tow/haul/work whatever as good as the Ecoboost so that people wanting a v8 can feel good about their new premium truck, and not "damn my truck gets outdone by some 3.5L v6."

Don't get me wrong. I, too, feel like a V8 is a preferred choice in any vehicle, especially the F Series and the Mustang, but as long as Ford offers good V8's, I don't mind them trying to offer good V6's too. The Ecoboost's great performance doesn't take away from the 5.0 or 6.2... it just adds another great choice to the F150 lineup!

If you don't like the EcoBoost, that's your choice, and that is why Ford is offering the 5.0 and 6.2L V8. I myself would drive all three engines before I made a buying decision, but if you only want to consider the 5.0 and 6.2, that's fine. Don't try to impose your will on everyone by stating that because you don't like an engine, Ford shouldn't offer the engine as an option to anyone. Now, had Ford decided not to offer any V8, THAT would have been worth rioting over. Ford is offering an option for everyone. Don't complain about the choices, just choose the one that's best for you.:beer:

If your complaint is that a truck with 420 ft-lb @ 2500 rpm can out-tow a truck with 380@4250, well, I'm afraid that is just physics at work. Don't get all hung up on published tow ratings anyway. Both engines are fully capable. Don't be so insecure because of numbers on a spec sheet. Life isn't a d--- measuring contest. If that's what matters to you, you've gotta get a 6.7 Power Stroke Super Duty, anyway!:rockon:

The Ecoboost offers more capability with better fuel economy than the competition's V8 engines. If you'd rather venture to the dark side and buy an inferior truck with an inferior engine just because it has a certain number of cylinders, then that's your choice, but I'd advise you to consider Ford's V8's before you defect. Get the 6.2, get the 5.0, but whatever you do...

...let go of the inferiority complex.

 

[Posi]

If I could I'd get one as soon as they come out and I wouldn't even drive a V8 because that truck is going to be a work horse, have instant torque at super low rpm's, and get great gas mileage.

For a truck that's not a Diesel to have that is flat out ground breaking and they're going to sell a ton. Put a tune in it and you'll more than likely pick up 30-40hp and 40-50 ft lbs of torque. Go and buy another brand but you're going to get a lot less truck and that's why you're buying one anyways. Or at least most of us.


Take a ride in a SHO with a tune in it and you'll more than likely see what these things are going to be able to do. Useable hp and tq through the entire rpm range. That's not something a "gas" truck can say it has until now. Be it 6 cyl's or not.

That ecoboost will more than likely beat the other V8's in every single category and if it doesn't it'll kill them with a tune in it.

 

[Posi]

Where do you sign up for this test drive anyways?

 

[Jroc]

Don't get me wrong. I, too, feel like a V8 is a preferred choice in any vehicle, especially the F Series and the Mustang, but as long as Ford offers good V8's, I don't mind them trying to offer good V6's too. The Ecoboost's great performance doesn't take away from the 5.0 or 6.2... it just adds another great choice to the F150 lineup!

If you don't like the EcoBoost, that's your choice, and that is why Ford is offering the 5.0 and 6.2L V8. I myself would drive all three engines before I made a buying decision, but if you only want to consider the 5.0 and 6.2, that's fine. Don't try to impose your will on everyone by stating that because you don't like an engine, Ford shouldn't offer the engine as an option to anyone. Now, had Ford decided not to offer any V8, THAT would have been worth rioting over. Ford is offering an option for everyone. Don't complain about the choices, just choose the one that's best for you.:beer:

If your complaint is that a truck with 420 ft-lb @ 2500 rpm can out-tow a truck with 380@4250, well, I'm afraid that is just physics at work. Don't get all hung up on published tow ratings anyway. Both engines are fully capable. Don't be so insecure because of numbers on a spec sheet. Life isn't a d--- measuring contest. If that's what matters to you, you've gotta get a 6.7 Power Stroke Super Duty, anyway!:rockon:

The Ecoboost offers more capability with better fuel economy than the competition's V8 engines. If you'd rather venture to the dark side and buy an inferior truck with an inferior engine just because it has a certain number of cylinders, then that's your choice, but I'd advise you to consider Ford's V8's before you defect. Get the 6.2, get the 5.0, but whatever you do...

...let go of the inferiority complex.

Trust me man I've seen this in Motocross when 4 strokes slowly started coming in, and making 2 strokes a thing of the past. I'm telling you that's what Fords attempting to do with this ecoboost they're just smart enough to know that they can't just up and drop the v8's and make everyone content. The 2011 F150 is getting 4 new motors. The only one they are really talking about, and trying to push is the Ecoboost. I don't see the 5.0 as being an inferior motor. Would you rather have a SHO, or a 2011 Mustang GT? Still Fords going to do things to give the Ecoboost the higher workload ratings. If the 5.4 can tow withing 100 pounds of what the Ecoboost is rated to tow then that right there tells you that its not all about power. Ford is forcing you to opt for a v6 if you want the best motor/all around package, and that is where my problem comes in.

I have a predigests against v6 motors in performance, and work applications. Chevy could build a v6 to destroy a LS7 if they wanted to, but if they tried to push that in a ZO6 Vette fans would throw a fit, regardless of weather or not they still offered base model v8 Vettes. V6's were developed to be economy car motor, and they sound like shit. I have a ton of love for I6's, but I do not like v6's in anything other than economy car, or smaller vehicles like compact trucks. They are good in base F150's, and v6 Mustangs are what make the Mustangs sell what they are, but making them the higherend motor' compared to the v8's is just not cool with me, and a lot of other people as well.

Boost gives small motors much bigger capabilities. It does this in EVO's, Supra's, GTR's, 03/04 Cobras, etc. A 5.0 with DI, and TT would destroy a Ecoboost motor in every category other than fuel economy.


If this Ecoboost is so good then it needs to be in the SD's. Why not, the 5.4 was? I mean apparently the Ecoboost is atleast the Boss motors equal in the F150, and Ford sells a hell of a lot of SD's as well, and the SD could sure as hell use some improved fuel economy, and that would give it some diesel style of power without the diesel prices right? My bet is the Ecoboost would not hold up too well in a big SD, and thats why they aren't offered in them.

BTW my truck makes 380 HP @ 4,750 rpm and 450 ft·lb @ 3,250 rpm so old POS 2V Modular motor > new Ecoboost unless you're talking MPG's. That just shows you what boost will do for a motor that should otherwise be very inferior. Yes I understand that I have almost another 2 liters, but Ecoboost is much more modern, has DI/VVT/etc, its DOHC with probably much better heads, its TT'ed, and vehicles have just gotten much more powerful in recent years.

 

[F8L SN8K]

Ford is pushing the Ecoboost because of ignorant people that are set in their ways. They KNOW they have to prove that this engine is every bit up to the task that is required. The V8 platform is already going to have the blind faith of those same people. Manufactures always have to push the new kid on the block. The mod motor had to fight the stigma of it "was a passenger car engine not a performance and truck engine" It had to fight against the faithfull pushrod that had enjoyed large success for decades.

Interesting thing you brought up the 4-stroke. You imply that the Manufactures was wanting to push the product they wanted to build. When it was the emissions/government that was requiring more emission/envirement friendly veichles. The manufacturer had to step away from the 2-strokes because of this. Hence the phasing in of the 4-strokes(which had 2x the displacment to make same/more power then the 2-stroke) Most people want a 2-stroke and have a higher profit margin then the tech. savy complex 4-stroke. But the imposing legislation required action to try to show that the new 4-stroke could handle the same task. They had to give the people the performance that they wanted while meeting the requirments the government imposed.

You keep saying that ratings and billing the eco-boost as top of the line. But the 6.2 IS AVAIBLE if you hadn't noticed with the exact same to ratings. So they are letting the people decide on what they want. Mind you the 6.2 is actually a cheaper engine option then the Eco-boost. Its fuel economy is less of course but that due to effciency. They are giving the people the option.

Now if the government/EPA keeps pushing manufactures will continue to be forced to build products that comply with legislation and less of what "We the people" actually want to buy. With just about every peice of legistlation that comes down the pipe line we become a little less free, losing more of the great economy growing capitolism and becoming more dependant on the very thing that caused the issues in the first place.

 

[Jroc]

Ford is pushing the Ecoboost because of ignorant people that are set in their ways. They KNOW they have to prove that this engine is every bit up to the task that is required. The V8 platform is already going to have the blind faith of those same people.

Interesting thing you brought up the 4-stroke. You imply that the Manufactures was wanting to push the product they wanted to build. When it was the emissions/government that was requiring more emission/envirement friendly veichles. The manufacturer had to step away from the 2-strokes because of this. Hence the phasing in of the 4-strokes(which had 2x the displacment to make same/more power then the 2-stroke) Most people want a 2-stroke and have a higher profit margin then the tech. savy complex 4-stroke. But the imposing legislation required action to try to show that the new 4-stroke could handle the same task. They had to give the people the performance that they wanted while meeting the requirments the government imposed.

You keep saying that ratings and billing the eco-boost as top of the line. But the 6.2 IS AVAIBLE if you hadn't noticed with the exact same to ratings. So they are letting the people decide on what they want. Mind you the 6.2 is actually a cheaper engine option then the Eco-boost. Its fuel economy is less of course but that due to effciency. They are giving the people the option.

Now if the government/EPA keeps pushing manufactures will continue to be forced to build products that comply with legislation and less of what "We the people" actually want to buy. With just about every peice of legistlation that comes down the pipe line we become a little less free, losing more of the great economy growing capitolism and becoming more dependant on the very thing that caused the issues in the first place.

Don't call me ignorant again or you're going to catch yourself a big argument.

I know good and well that this is going to be a very good motor because its a modern, DI, boosted motor. I don't care though. Its not a matter of faith in the motor, I just don't like v6's being top of the line motors in my favorite serious of trucks. Are you not reading what I'm saying? I have a predigest against v6 motors in top of the line full size American trucks, and sports cars. Sorry. The pussy might be good, but would you want to marry some ugly women? Do you see where going with this?

If you feel that emissions are what started to phase 2stroke out of in Motocross then you have not got a clue as to what you are talking about. If that was the case then Yamaha, and KTM wouldn't still be making them, and they wouldn't be eligible to race.

Ford went to this motor to get better MPG. Ford very much wants this motor to make the v8's obsolete in their half ton trucks. This makes their job of meeting the CAFE quota much easier. Trust me. MPG has zero influence over what I buy though.(unless it was just some ridiculous numbers) Obviously most truck people I know feel the same because the ones I've asked if they'd my this truck say hell no. It boils down to its just kind of gay to them. Americans who buy big, American trucks, and performance cars like, and expect v8's. We just do. We like Football,(American Football) we like hamburgers, We like bad ass v8's.

My biggest problem with the 6.2 is Ford doesn't offer it in the FX4. Why? Other than the Raptor its the most extreme(if you want to call it that) model of F150. It's the Z71's main competition. Lariats, KR's, Platinums are more pamper me models. FX4's come with beefer shocks, better rear differential, skid plates, etc that other models don't have. It deserves it as much as any other model other than Raptor as you can get one in the $50K price range. It is the model I would most likely want to go for other than it not offering the 6.2.

BTW do all Ecoboost F150's come with that stupid looking chrome grill? Every picture I've seen of the Ecoboost F150 it has it. That thing is ugly as shit, and the ugliest full sized American truck by far.

 

[F8L SN8K]

Thats the platnium grill. No matter which engine you choose.

Would you marry a girl just because she had DDs but couldn't cook, clean, raise children or pleasure you???

 

[F8L SN8K]

CARB and EPA provided some compliance flexibility for engine manufacturers to meet the very stringent Tier 2 and Phase 2 levels by adding an Averaging, Banking and Trading (ABT) program. Manufacturers that use ABT have to meet the emissions standards by using a corporate emissions average. By using ABT, manufacturers are able to produce engines with various emissions levels: Some Tier 2/Phase 2 engines are lower than emission standards; some engines meet emission standards; and some engines are higher than emission standards.

Allowing the manufactures to make product that people feel they have "to have" such as a 2-stroke and V-8 while still meeting the mandates by the EPA. Ford and all the other manufactures are just trying to make a product that people want to buy while still complying with the given set of rules. Ford has to prove this engine just like the motorcycle companies. I whole heartly agree that a MX/ATV should be a 2-stroke but the powers that be say you need to meet these regulations. Same goes as the trucks that are now included in CAFE regs. I feel that your anger is misguided. Instead of being aimed at Ford and other manufactures it should be aimed towards the people making the rules instead letting the market self regulate.

 

[mustangc]

The mere existance of the Ecoboost doesn't in any way degrade the performance or desirability of the V8s. The 6.2 is still the most 'premium' engine because it has the highest capabilities and the highest horsepower and torque rating. The EcoBoost may be a more expensive option, but that is because it costs more to make than a 6.2. There are three choices when it comes to designing engines: High power, High Mileage (fuel economy), or Low Cost... you can pick 2!

As for who will or won't buy the Ecoboost, we'll let the free market settle that dispute in sales numbers. I'll bet Ford will sell more than their fair share.

I agree that Ford should make the 6.2 available in more trim options. It should come in the FX4, and all cab configurations. Perhaps this will come later in the model year, or perhaps in MY 2012. I'm all in favor of all engines being available in all cab / bed / trim levels. If enough people clamor for an FX-4 with the 6.2, Ford will offer it. Give them a call.

 

[Jroc]

Thats the platnium grill. No matter which engine you choose.

Would you marry a girl just because she had DDs but couldn't cook, clean, raise children or pleasure you???

I'm more of a ass kind of guy myself. I mean I like boobs, but I prefer a nice handful to just really big boobs. A girl with a nice ass is what does it for me.

Are you saying that Ford can't build a v8 to meet the requirement of a fullsize truck?

 

[Jroc]

The mere existance of the Ecoboost doesn't in any way degrade the performance or desirability of the V8s. The 6.2 is still the most 'premium' engine because it has the highest capabilities and the highest horsepower and torque rating. The EcoBoost may be a more expensive option, but that is because it costs more to make than a 6.2. There are three choices when it comes to designing engines: High power, High Mileage (fuel economy), or Low Cost... you can pick 2!

As for who will or won't buy the Ecoboost, we'll let the free market settle that dispute in sales numbers. I'll bet Ford will sell more than their fair share.

I agree that Ford should make the 6.2 available in more trim options. It should come in the FX4, and all cab configurations. Perhaps this will come later in the model year, or perhaps in MY 2012. I'm all in favor of all engines being available in all cab / bed / trim levels. If enough people clamor for an FX-4 with the 6.2, Ford will offer it. Give them a call.

Ecoboost is suppose to be I believe around a $1,200 option whereas the 6.2 is suppose to be around a $2,500, or $3,000 option over the 5.0. I do agree that it probably cost more for Ford to produce the Ecoboost than the Boss motor though.

Here's my though. If Ecoboost is SO good then Ford needs to put it in place of the 5.0 in the Mustang GT. I mean I would hate that, but it makes sense as Ford sells more than enough Mustang GT's to effect the quota for average sells to meet X amount of MPG in the total # of vehicles they sell. Plus it would just be a better performance car in probably most every aspect. Why was Ford so foolish to waste the money to develop the greatly inferior 5.0 when they could of just gone Ecoboost all the way? I'm sure there are plenty of tree hugers out there that would love to buy a Mustang if they offered Ecoboost in it.