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<blockquote data-quote="Voltwings" data-source="post: 14110297" data-attributes="member: 155561"><p>I feel your logic is off in a few places. For starters, most modern 4-cylinders are hardly on the ragged edge at 400. Secondly, if you're referring to the SHO maxing out at 450 whp, its also AWD, which is going to put significantly more loss into the equation. Granted its a different platform so its apples to oranges, but there are countless records of Bolt on / E85 Mazdaspeed3's (my previous platform as mentioned earlier in this thread, and SHOCKINGLY similiar to the focus ST motor, so i wouldnt be surprised to see some of that technology here) beating stock 5.0's. </p><p></p><p>Mods needed to do so? </p><p>Cobb accessport: $650. seems steep, but i like cobb 100X better than SCT, its worth it.</p><p>Test pipe (2nd cat removal): $150</p><p>3" - 3.5" intake: $300 give or take</p><p>a downpipe will help, but you can get by without one: $150 (ebay) - $700</p><p>Then E85 with a good tune. Once a 5.0 had mods though it was game over, i'm not going to act like all stock turbo cars are V8 killers, hell why do you think im driving a 5.0 now lol. I'm just saying most people dont give the modern turbo 4 the credit it deserves.</p><p></p><p>I really hope COBB hops behind this platform like they did the ST, because their software is 100% free. Mazdaspeed forums is full of useful tuning advice, and it could really open this platform up. I tuned guys safely to 325 whp and 380 wtq with the above mods, but ran my own car closer to 340 whp and 420 wtq on the stock turbo, and i also tuned the stock turbo record of 375 / 456 but his car was heavily modded. The torque (and about 400 lb weight advantage in the ms3's case) are what make turbo cars so lethal, i expect some feelings to be hurt when the aftermarket gets behind these cars. THAT BEING SAID, Ford really held the focus ST back in a few key places. It has a small factory turbo, even by factory turbo standards, and the exhaust manifold is cast into the head with an elbow going to the turbo's hotside. Even with the addition of a larger turbo, that significantly limits their aftermarket potential, and if Ford makes the same decision with the Mustang i can see its power potential being severely hindered. </p><p></p><p>I can still easily see it being an autox / track day monster, but at this point it is still all just speculation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voltwings, post: 14110297, member: 155561"] I feel your logic is off in a few places. For starters, most modern 4-cylinders are hardly on the ragged edge at 400. Secondly, if you're referring to the SHO maxing out at 450 whp, its also AWD, which is going to put significantly more loss into the equation. Granted its a different platform so its apples to oranges, but there are countless records of Bolt on / E85 Mazdaspeed3's (my previous platform as mentioned earlier in this thread, and SHOCKINGLY similiar to the focus ST motor, so i wouldnt be surprised to see some of that technology here) beating stock 5.0's. Mods needed to do so? Cobb accessport: $650. seems steep, but i like cobb 100X better than SCT, its worth it. Test pipe (2nd cat removal): $150 3" - 3.5" intake: $300 give or take a downpipe will help, but you can get by without one: $150 (ebay) - $700 Then E85 with a good tune. Once a 5.0 had mods though it was game over, i'm not going to act like all stock turbo cars are V8 killers, hell why do you think im driving a 5.0 now lol. I'm just saying most people dont give the modern turbo 4 the credit it deserves. I really hope COBB hops behind this platform like they did the ST, because their software is 100% free. Mazdaspeed forums is full of useful tuning advice, and it could really open this platform up. I tuned guys safely to 325 whp and 380 wtq with the above mods, but ran my own car closer to 340 whp and 420 wtq on the stock turbo, and i also tuned the stock turbo record of 375 / 456 but his car was heavily modded. The torque (and about 400 lb weight advantage in the ms3's case) are what make turbo cars so lethal, i expect some feelings to be hurt when the aftermarket gets behind these cars. THAT BEING SAID, Ford really held the focus ST back in a few key places. It has a small factory turbo, even by factory turbo standards, and the exhaust manifold is cast into the head with an elbow going to the turbo's hotside. Even with the addition of a larger turbo, that significantly limits their aftermarket potential, and if Ford makes the same decision with the Mustang i can see its power potential being severely hindered. I can still easily see it being an autox / track day monster, but at this point it is still all just speculation. [/QUOTE]
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