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Road Kill Drive-Thru
04 cobra vs a heavily modded ws6
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<blockquote data-quote="Jroc" data-source="post: 6996523" data-attributes="member: 51847"><p>Look you cannot make a N/A SB motor a lowend stump puller that also spins high rpms, and pulls strong the whole way. Its not a two way street. A 5.0 EFI smallblock feels more like a bigblock than any other smallblock motor that I've ever experianced. They make good low to mid range power, atleast stock, or somewhat close to stock. I know they don't make as much power and torque stock as a LSx because their much older and everything else, but thats how they get going until their motor stops pulling at 5200 or so rpms. They feel like their riding some big torque curve or something. I've never talked with a 5.0 guy that says 4.10's make a good gear for a DD, but I've read were quite a few LSx guy say they are a great mod for their cars. The impression that every LS powered car I've driven or ridden is that it wants to build rpms quickly, and make alot of upper midrange and topend power, but its not going to knock you hard at 1500 rpms if you step on the throttle. Your going to have to wait as second until it builds a few rpms. I don't think a 302 based motor thats been modded to rev past 7000 rpms is going to make the same lowend power that a stock or bolton 5.0 makes, because your moving the powerband. </p><p></p><p>Look LSx people I'm not trying to insult what you have. I know I said it was a dog down low, but I'll say a N/A modular motor is a dog down low particularly in 4v forum. Maybe calling it a dog is a little harsh, but we've been arguing. How about this a LSx doesn't have the hit down low like a Diesel, bigblock, SBF, or SC Modular, they just don't, lowend grunt is not their best attribute. I'm not saying their slow, infact their very, very good, and are better performance motors than Modulars, and the way they make their power is very fun particularly if cammed. I've been in LSx cars with head work, a aftermarket cam, and other boltons, and I now their fast as hell. I was agreeing with old dude. He's the one how said FGT's are lap this or that road course faster than ZO6's because they make more torque, even though it has taller gearing, and a worse power to weight ratio. I was talking with my tuner the last time I went up their about a C6Z they had tuned and he said the samething. Their not all that strong down low, but above 4000 rpms their extremely hard pulling.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, whatever. </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I didn't even know about the other video's. I just saw the one I posted on another forum, and I got it, and posted it here. I haven't watch the videos you posted, but whatever the case the ZO6 wasn't stock, and the Viper pulled on it pretty good in the video I posted. Something is not right if he lost to the same car in the videos you posted, then pulls on him in the one I posted the way that he did. Maybe the Z was just in the wrong gear.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Most graphs don't even start showing #'s until around 3K.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>I don't want your women, and I shouldn't have talked to you like I did, but your just trying to play tit for tat. Allow me to squash any argument about a 03/04 Cobra vs. C6Z by saying a C6Z is a much better performance car, I understand that. We were debating which is better between a C6Z or FGT. Let me say that if you have a C6Z you have a very, very, very badass car, but I personally would not trade for one other than to sell it, because I like Fords, and Mustangs, and my car is badass enough for me, and I have alot of fun with it. I personally think you have too high of an opinion for your car. I mean come on your on a SVT forum insulting a FGT the best performance vehicle SVT ever developed, and saying that a ZO6 is better. I guareentee you that if a FGT owner went on LS1Tech and started claiming the FGT to be better than a C6Z he would get flamed really bad. I think its pretty amazing how similar the two cars performance #'s are for having such different setups.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>x1000.</p><p></p><p>But I will say this "Built 2v Mod with a screw blower> 4v Mod with a screw blower." If you want to understand why I say that head over to MPH's forums. They are making some extremely impressive #'s with 2v's and KB's.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jroc, post: 6996523, member: 51847"] Look you cannot make a N/A SB motor a lowend stump puller that also spins high rpms, and pulls strong the whole way. Its not a two way street. A 5.0 EFI smallblock feels more like a bigblock than any other smallblock motor that I've ever experianced. They make good low to mid range power, atleast stock, or somewhat close to stock. I know they don't make as much power and torque stock as a LSx because their much older and everything else, but thats how they get going until their motor stops pulling at 5200 or so rpms. They feel like their riding some big torque curve or something. I've never talked with a 5.0 guy that says 4.10's make a good gear for a DD, but I've read were quite a few LSx guy say they are a great mod for their cars. The impression that every LS powered car I've driven or ridden is that it wants to build rpms quickly, and make alot of upper midrange and topend power, but its not going to knock you hard at 1500 rpms if you step on the throttle. Your going to have to wait as second until it builds a few rpms. I don't think a 302 based motor thats been modded to rev past 7000 rpms is going to make the same lowend power that a stock or bolton 5.0 makes, because your moving the powerband. Look LSx people I'm not trying to insult what you have. I know I said it was a dog down low, but I'll say a N/A modular motor is a dog down low particularly in 4v forum. Maybe calling it a dog is a little harsh, but we've been arguing. How about this a LSx doesn't have the hit down low like a Diesel, bigblock, SBF, or SC Modular, they just don't, lowend grunt is not their best attribute. I'm not saying their slow, infact their very, very good, and are better performance motors than Modulars, and the way they make their power is very fun particularly if cammed. I've been in LSx cars with head work, a aftermarket cam, and other boltons, and I now their fast as hell. I was agreeing with old dude. He's the one how said FGT's are lap this or that road course faster than ZO6's because they make more torque, even though it has taller gearing, and a worse power to weight ratio. I was talking with my tuner the last time I went up their about a C6Z they had tuned and he said the samething. Their not all that strong down low, but above 4000 rpms their extremely hard pulling. Ok, whatever. I didn't even know about the other video's. I just saw the one I posted on another forum, and I got it, and posted it here. I haven't watch the videos you posted, but whatever the case the ZO6 wasn't stock, and the Viper pulled on it pretty good in the video I posted. Something is not right if he lost to the same car in the videos you posted, then pulls on him in the one I posted the way that he did. Maybe the Z was just in the wrong gear. Most graphs don't even start showing #'s until around 3K. I don't want your women, and I shouldn't have talked to you like I did, but your just trying to play tit for tat. Allow me to squash any argument about a 03/04 Cobra vs. C6Z by saying a C6Z is a much better performance car, I understand that. We were debating which is better between a C6Z or FGT. Let me say that if you have a C6Z you have a very, very, very badass car, but I personally would not trade for one other than to sell it, because I like Fords, and Mustangs, and my car is badass enough for me, and I have alot of fun with it. I personally think you have too high of an opinion for your car. I mean come on your on a SVT forum insulting a FGT the best performance vehicle SVT ever developed, and saying that a ZO6 is better. I guareentee you that if a FGT owner went on LS1Tech and started claiming the FGT to be better than a C6Z he would get flamed really bad. I think its pretty amazing how similar the two cars performance #'s are for having such different setups. x1000. But I will say this "Built 2v Mod with a screw blower> 4v Mod with a screw blower." If you want to understand why I say that head over to MPH's forums. They are making some extremely impressive #'s with 2v's and KB's. [/QUOTE]
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