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BrunotheBoxer

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You must have me confused with somebody else.

I rarely have a bad day at work and I have zero issues cashing checks. Maybe you need to get out of the sun and hydrate.


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I didn’t realize I was talking to a rich pasty White biologist.
 

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Crackhead prices, lol @ 17K for a 127K mile IROC Z 89
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Yep, 3.73's, GT40 intake and hoosier quick times was a bad ass ride... until some rich ahole pulled up with a vortech or procharger.

The basic A-trim Vortech was right around $1400 back then and usually gave you 60-70ish gross HP (with no tune, stock injectors, just an FMU). Even in 2004, that kit was still only $2100 (as that is when I put one on my dads fox ltd). I knew plenty of "poor" dudes who had Vortech's back then though. Guess rich is a relative term :)

I had a friend that turbod his and ran low 13s with a manual. That was literally mind blowing. I still remember roll racing a brand new c5 while we were cruising around on acid. It felt like we were in the millennium falcon hitting light speed.

It was unreal fast for the time even if laughably slow by todays standards.

I got my Cartech turbo kit in 94-95ish, as I realized after owning both a Pulsar turbo and then a 90 AWD talon, that unlike turbos, most centrifugal superchargers of that day, didn't get any kind of real boost until 5000 RPM.

That kit got me 150 HP (gross) @ 10 PSI. 3.27's, FMS clutch, 2.5 exh (kit had 3" DP) and eventually some 235 DR's netted me a 12.66 @ 108. No tune, even stock injectors with only FMU that ran fuel pressure to 110 PSI @ 10 lbs of boost. (kit did have external Bosch pump to get that kind of pressure). And that was on the stock 86 motor with the crappy heads, small TB/etc...
 

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Haven’t read through this whole thread yet. But I was originally a Chevy guy. As a teen had my eye set on a black on black ‘91 Z28. Day I went to buy it, it sold. Bummed out, I went down the street and bought a ‘91 LX 5.0 hatch.

13 Mustangs later, and I’m still a Camaro fan. So much so I just bought the wife a 2018 ZL1 A10 w/2k miles.

Seriously thinking of letting my ‘14 GT500 go.
 

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How does your wife like the ZL1? Bigger question is how much do YOU get to drive it? LOL.
 

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The basic A-trim Vortech was right around $1400 back then and usually gave you 60-70ish gross HP (with no tune, stock injectors, just an FMU). Even in 2004, that kit was still only $2100 (as that is when I put one on my dads fox ltd). I knew plenty of "poor" dudes who had Vortech's back then though. Guess rich is a relative term :)



I got my Cartech turbo kit in 94-95ish, as I realized after owning both a Pulsar turbo and then a 90 AWD talon, that unlike turbos, most centrifugal superchargers of that day, didn't get any kind of real boost until 5000 RPM.

That kit got me 150 HP (gross) @ 10 PSI. 3.27's, FMS clutch, 2.5 exh (kit had 3" DP) and eventually some 235 DR's netted me a 12.66 @ 108. No tune, even stock injectors with only FMU that ran fuel pressure to 110 PSI @ 10 lbs of boost. (kit did have external Bosch pump to get that kind of pressure). And that was on the stock 86 motor with the crappy heads, small TB/etc...
Well I was in HS in the early 90’s so that was too salty for me…. I did have a friend that we put on an S trim I think a few years down the road. Remember us both thinking why didn’t we just do this from the get go…
 

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How does your wife like the ZL1? Bigger question is how much do YOU get to drive it? LOL.
She’s a Chevy girl, so she loves it. She works from home, so I get to drive it quite a bit. The ‘14 feels way more powerful and surprisingly the ride is a bit softer than the ZL1 (track pack vs Mag shocks).

With the A10 you can tell it soaks up some power as any auto does, so it does not feel like 650/650. But it makes up the differences in rapid fire gear ratios. The stock exhaust is pretty good too. Thought I’d hear the blower a bit more like you see in some videos, similar to my Terminators, but the exhaust overpowers it.

No comparison for creature features. Camaro trumps the S197 GT500 hands down. Only complaint is getting in/out. Harder in the Camaro
 

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The basic A-trim Vortech was right around $1400 back then and usually gave you 60-70ish gross HP (with no tune, stock injectors, just an FMU). Even in 2004, that kit was still only $2100 (as that is when I put one on my dads fox ltd). I knew plenty of "poor" dudes who had Vortech's back then though. Guess rich is a relative term :)



I got my Cartech turbo kit in 94-95ish, as I realized after owning both a Pulsar turbo and then a 90 AWD talon, that unlike turbos, most centrifugal superchargers of that day, didn't get any kind of real boost until 5000 RPM.

That kit got me 150 HP (gross) @ 10 PSI. 3.27's, FMS clutch, 2.5 exh (kit had 3" DP) and eventually some 235 DR's netted me a 12.66 @ 108. No tune, even stock injectors with only FMU that ran fuel pressure to 110 PSI @ 10 lbs of boost. (kit did have external Bosch pump to get that kind of pressure). And that was on the stock 86 motor with the crappy heads, small TB/etc...
I remember the struggle of the non intercooled, vortech supercharger on my 95 gt. Hot air boost that only started to come alive until 5k rpms. I had to run alcohol injection to get any kind of decent timing in it. That’s how it was before pump E85, either race gas or water meth, alcohol injection.
 

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Let's face it --

The GM muscle cars butt-****ed just about anything Ford offered performance-wise until the coyote was introduced in 2011.

You could argue the Terminator marked the tide-change, but even that car needed a blower to make the same power as the LS6 powered c5 z06 (405 hp vs. the Cobra's 390).

2006 c6 z06 had 505 hp to the 2007 GT500's (supercharged) 500.

I’ll never understand why people compare the Corvette to the Cobra.
 

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Because when the Cobra was on the streets the Camaro was no longer being made. From 03-09' the Mustang did not have a Camaro to compete against. So the fallback is the Vette.

Yea but it’s been all the way back to at least the early 90s. The Cobra is a pony car.

The vette was always the American Affordable answer to Euro super cars.

I just don’t see the comparison.
 

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