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You stated Over engineer everything. Might not have been the choice of words that would fit this situation.

Never said that over-engineering made them perfect though. All cars have issues, even Porsche which are some of the highest rated in quality. It's about the R&D they perform before releasing a product. It goes above and beyond what the majority manufacturers do and it's why their resale value has historically so high. It doesn't come from nothing.
 

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Never said that over-engineering made them perfect though. All cars have issues, even Porsche which are some of the highest rated in quality. It's about the R&D they perform before releasing a product. It goes above and beyond what the majority manufacturers do and it's why their resale value has historically so high. It doesn't come from nothing.
Lol not sure over engineering fits anything you just said. Now maybe if you stated a specific vehicle those words could be true. But the broad statement is flat out just wrong.
 

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Thats not what the Civic owners said when they had massive transmission issues. Crapping out before 50k.
They could not make an auto for any of their V6 cars, this included Acura, early mid 2000 Honda autos were garbage.
 

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Lol not sure over engineering fits anything you just said. Now maybe if you stated a specific vehicle those words could be true. But the broad statement is flat out just wrong.

It's clear you don't know what I'm talking about so I won't bother trying to explain further besides giving an example in the new NSX. The car was in R&D hell for what had to be 10-15 years, possibly more? It took so long that people thought it was dead for good until the commercial reveal dropped during the Superbowl. By the time it actually was released it was a solid performer but didn't appear to be revolutionary. It's just a solid performing vehicle like the first gens that doesn't fall flat yet doesn't lead the pack. It's just Honda's style and it reflects in their reputation which isn't built on nothing.
 

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They could not make an auto for any of their V6 cars, this included Acura, early mid 2000 Honda autos were garbage.
Yup correct. Its amazing that people try and ignore that honda had massive defects in the early/mid 2000s and again in the mid 20teens.

Honda's built a hell of a reliable vehicle in the mid 1990s. A majority of those vehicles would have been considered over engineered.
 
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It's clear you don't know what I'm talking about so I won't bother trying to explain further besides giving an example in the new NSX. The car was in R&D hell for what had to be 10-15 years, possibly more? It took so long that people thought it was dead for good until the commercial reveal dropped during the Superbowl. By the time it actually was released it was a solid performer but didn't appear to be revolutionary. It's just a solid performing vehicle like the first gens that doesn't fall flat yet doesn't lead the pack. It's just Honda's style and it reflects in their reputation which isn't built on nothing.
Lol yet you still have no idea what the actual meaning of over engineering means.
 

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Lol not sure over engineering fits anything you just said. Now maybe if you stated a specific vehicle those words could be true. But the broad statement is flat out just wrong.


I feel like lately you’ve legit just been here to tell people when they are wrong.

It’s legitimately non stop. You specifically find threads just to do the “ I’m right you’re wrong “ pattern
 

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I feel like lately you’ve legit just been here to tell people when they are wrong.

It’s legitimately non stop. You specifically find threads just to do the “ I’m right you’re wrong “ pattern
Keeps up the entertainment
 

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They could not make an auto for any of their V6 cars, this included Acura, early mid 2000 Honda autos were garbage.

Yup correct. Its amazing that people try and ignore that honda had massive defects in the early/mid 2000s and again in the mid 20teens.

Honda's built a hell of a reliable vehicle in the mid 1990s. A majority of those vehicles would have been considered over engineered.

I think this was actually Honda's fault on their service recommendations. When I worked at Honda service, we had a "Lifetime warranty" of various parts (engine and transmission included) but they had to follow our service schedule. So instead of a transmission drain and fill at 120k, we required it at 60k. We also wouldn't do a flush as they seemed to make everything worse, and a lot of other dealers suggested them (even as far as a power steering flush).

This worked out really well for the majority of our business because it trained the customers to get service rather frequently. I saw a shit ton of V6 cars with 200-300k miles on the original transmissions. I can't really even remember a V6 getting a new transmission, the most common issue was the AC systems in the 03-04 CRVs and Honda was well aware and we could get them to goodwill a full replacement, even up to 150k miles on those. There were some casting issues on Civic engines that Honda would goodwill as well. But compared to our BMW store, the amount of heavy line stuff we did was basically nothing. It would be unusual to have more than one engine/transmission/diff per week and it was a pretty big service location, if memory serves me right we had 34 lifts and 3 alignment racks. They were always filled with cars getting maintenance done. That place printed money and was actually a really, really solid place to have work done.

This was a decade ago, and Honda owners are (or were) the type to keep their cars for a long ass time, so we saw quite a few early 2000s cars.
 

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Lol yet you still have no idea what the actual meaning of over engineering means.

Holy shit, should we get the dictionary out and start critiquing every single word in each post? Maybe my use of the word was technically wrong but it got the point across that Honda puts a lot into their engineering to build reliable, solid vehicles. Do you know of a single brand that has built a perfect a vehicle that's never had issues? Neither have I so why would a transmission issue in a specific generation of vehicles prove otherwise what we all know to be true? You think Honda actually makes shit vehicles then?
 

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They are legit cars. That episode of Top Gear with the Lambo vs the Evo is awesome.

Back in 2002-2003 I was taking a 1992 Eclipse GSX (father to the Evo) to the local drag strip every weekend. There wasn't a terminator or LS Camaro/TA around that posed a threat to that car.

Granted, it was built with a larger turbo and fuel system, but that "boy racer" was running bottom 11s at near 130 back then and absolutely made a mockery of any "American muscle" available during the time in my area.
 

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