Motorcycles Riders and Helmets

Machdup1

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While I agree with having freedom of choice, sometimes that choice affects other people.

Injuries sustained in accidents where people are not using safety equipment should not be automatically covered by insurance. Why should the rest of us pay higher insurance costs because of these choices?

The tricky part for me is that my opinion is not all or nothing.

If you're riding without a helmet and break your arm/leg, what does the lack of a helmet have to do with the injury? Nothing.

So, how do you avoid getting lost in the weeds determining if the lack of safety equipment is a contributing factor?

I guess you could litigate it in court.

Perhaps those who want to exercise their rights can pay higher rates?

I don't ride, but if I did, I would wear a helmet and leather gear.

I always wear a seatbelt. To me, it just seems ignorant not to.


Freedom comes at a cost. Sometimes that cost is personal responsibility.
Your right we need to discourage behavior that negatively affects society.

We all know alcohol is poison. It kills almost 90,000 Americans per year. It is the most dangerous substance on the planet based on all risk factors and likelihood of use.

Let’s discourage it’s use by adding a 300% sin tax to cover treatment and education. This would be great for society and since I don’t drink, I don’t see the problem with such a beneficial program.

What do you say, is everyone ready for a sin tax to cover your bad behavior.
 

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Your right we need to discourage behavior that negatively affects society.

We all know alcohol is poison. It kills almost 90,000 Americans per year. It is the most dangerous substance on the planet based on all risk factors and likelihood of use.

Let’s discourage it’s use by adding a 300% sin tax to cover treatment and education. This would be great for society and since I don’t drink, I don’t see the problem with such a beneficial program.

What do you say, is everyone ready for a sin tax to cover your bad behavior.
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When I rode, my head always had protection... wish I had lived by the same mantra when I ****ed... should have known better than to be a raw-dogging SOB. Sure changed my life.

Had a pretty insane fight with an 18-wheeler while on my bike... Semi won but the helmet did save my face. I would not ride without one (or a proper jacket for that matter).

I do support freedom of choice. You don’t wanna wear gear? No prob. Just know what you are gambling with...

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Here's some stupid facts that get in the way of feelings.

 

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When I rode, my head always had protection... wish I had lived by the same mantra when I ****ed... should have known better than to be a raw-dogging SOB. Sure changed my life.

Had a pretty insane fight with an 18-wheeler while on my bike... Semi won but the helmet did save my face. I would not ride without one (or a proper jacket for that matter).

I do support freedom of choice. You don’t wanna wear gear? No prob. Just know what you are gambling with...

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Hey that gear looks familiar, thank you again brotha! I recently picked some used alpinestars jacket and pants, now I got two sets of gear...




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The state of CA made helmets mandatory due to the huge taxpayer expense of medically treating the morons who didn't make the right decisions regarding helmets and insurance.

I agree with that approach, and is why I lean libertarian, but not 100% libertarian. As a side note, I've had dirt bikes most of my life and currently have a street legal Husky FE501S- which I probably won't ever ride on the street simply because I know how bad drivers are. In fact, I saw a beat up car driving down the road just this past week with a bumper sticker that read, "My driving scares me too."
Therefore, drag slicks & radials, any modifications to a car, race tracks, emission producing vehicles, cigarettes, alcohol, loud music, etc. Should be banned.

You are either a libertarian or you are not. You are not as evidenced by you using a restrictive CA law as an example of a good idea.

**** the CA nanny state.
 

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Therefore, drag slicks & radials, any modifications to a car, race tracks, emission producing vehicles, cigarettes, alcohol, loud music, etc. Should be banned.

You are either a libertarian or you are not. You are not as evidenced by you using a restrictive CA law as an example of a good idea.

**** the CA nanny state.

Therefore, any and all resultant damage and costs due to what you listed should be covered by my tax dollars. Got it.
 

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Therefore, any and all resultant damage and costs due to what you listed should be covered by my tax dollars. Got it.
Why do my tax dollars go to help bail out your shithole state because the homo in charge of it makes terrible decisions just because he’s ashamed of being white and Trump said mean things??
 

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Why do my tax dollars go to help bail out your shithole state because the homo in charge of it makes terrible decisions just because he’s ashamed of being white and Trump said mean things??

Why does your state get waaaaaay more money per resident from the feds? How much tax dollars are you sending this way anyway?

BTW, if the government started requiring you to wipe your ass, you would stop- right?
 

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Therefore, any and all resultant damage and costs due to what you listed should be covered by my tax dollars. Got it.
So you want to take away others rights because they offend you, instead of fixing the actual problem. Here is a hint, the problem is the government that you don’t oppose.
 

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Here is my logic for riding with a helmet. The helmet isn't going to stop me from dying in a high speed crash. Where the helmet works is in a low speed tip over where you smack your head on the pavement and end up a vegetable.
Well, my thought is that you will go slow every time you ride - the fast part is a bit relative. You could be going 30mph and struck head on, which would suck and likely end you.
 

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I don't get it either. I wear a full face at ALL times and I also now have an airbag vest that I wear religiously. As soon as airbag jeans get perfected (they are working on it), I will add that as well. All the gear all the time.
Never heard of airbag clothing - pretty cool.
 

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Your right we need to discourage behavior that negatively affects society.

We all know alcohol is poison. It kills almost 90,000 Americans per year. It is the most dangerous substance on the planet based on all risk factors and likelihood of use.

Let’s discourage it’s use by adding a 300% sin tax to cover treatment and education. This would be great for society and since I don’t drink, I don’t see the problem with such a beneficial program.

What do you say, is everyone ready for a sin tax to cover your bad behavior.
Move to Norway. Few of us could afford our drinking habit there.
 

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I asked a coworker about this topic. He is prob in his mid 50s. Rides a Harley. He says if he doesn’t have to wear a helmet, he won’t. Simple as that. Lol. Then basically said, if ima be risking my life on a bike I don’t want to end up in a wheel chair. Get it done in one shot. I can’t disagree.
 

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So you want to take away others rights because they offend you, instead of fixing the actual problem. Here is a hint, the problem is the government that you don’t oppose.

What the? Where did I write that I wanted to take away anyone's rights, or that what they're doing offends me? I simply wrote that I agree with the strategy of minimizing the taxpayer liability by requiring a helmet when on public roads. Are you just for big government or something? I don't like our government, but I also know my limits and don't get myself all worked up into a wad over something I can't control. I vote for Republicans, but I'm not out going door to door on election years trying to convince others to do the same. What do you do that's so much more than that?
 

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What the? Where did I write that I wanted to take away anyone's rights, or that what they're doing offends me? I simply wrote that I agree with the strategy of minimizing the taxpayer liability by requiring a helmet when on public roads. Are you just for big government or something? I don't like our government, but I also know my limits and don't get myself all worked up into a wad over something I can't control. I vote for Republicans, but I'm not out going door to door on election years trying to convince others to do the same. What do you do that's so much more than that?
You have clearly stated your support for the restriction of liberties because it offends your wallet.

You don’t trust the individual to what they view as best for them and support using government force to make them do what you feel is best, because the government told you it was the best course of action.

That sad part is that you don’t understand that constitutes supporting big government over reach.
 

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Gotta love cucks that want to force others to do shit they want.... only thing is they are too much of lowly cowardly roach, so they rely on government to force others to their demands....
 

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You have clearly stated your support for the restriction of liberties because it offends your wallet.

You don’t trust the individual to what they view as best for them and support using government force to make them do what you feel is best, because the government told you it was the best course of action.

That sad part is that you don’t understand that constitutes supporting big government over reach.

Offends my wallet, LOL. Nice imagination of the definition of offends. You sound like a leftist. I'm a pragmatist. In the real world, there are compromises to be made. What you're really saying is you're ok with anyone doing anything and the taxpayer is there to pick up the pieces.
 

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