turbo kit for a new edge w/ Steeda K member?

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Are there any kits out there that fit a new edge with a 4valve and the steeda K member?

I'm pretty well over this procharger bullshit right now, about ready to sell the whole damned car to be honest.
 

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What’s up with the pro charger setup?

I built a turbo fox ways back and I can say for sure, they are the most labor intensive.

I’m not sure if any would work with Steeda. If I recall, that’s not a tubular one.


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What’s going on with the procharger. Only reason I ask is because I just put a D1 on mine.

right now - it's either I have a charging @ idle issue or a cooling issue when it's hot as hell here in FL.
the stock fan was ok unless stuck in slow moving traffic when its 90+ out (again, its fl, it happens).
The massive draw of the mark 8 fans is causing the alternator to not keep up (200amp aftermarket unit).
I have a 10% OD crank but Im also 8 rib, the stock terminator 2.6" alternator pulley is the smallest I can get on there and just won't put out enough @ idle. Which seems crazy to me bc its overspun @ 7k engine rpm already.

the end result from both scenarios is I cant run the ****ing AC at lights in traffic when it's super hot out (coolant temps will start to climb, I don't usually let em go past 220) or with the mark 8 fan voltage drops too low.

I guess I could move to a whipple like everyone else and their brother but I really dont wanna deal with finding all the terminator intercooler crap to put in and then fight IAT2 here in fl. Just seems like dump so much money into what are supposed to be good parts and still end up with too much bullshit
 

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right now - it's either I have a charging @ idle issue or a cooling issue when it's hot as hell here in FL.
the stock fan was ok unless stuck in slow moving traffic when its 90+ out (again, its fl, it happens).
The massive draw of the mark 8 fans is causing the alternator to not keep up (200amp aftermarket unit).
I have a 10% OD crank but Im also 8 rib, the stock terminator 2.6" alternator pulley is the smallest I can get on there and just won't put out enough @ idle. Which seems crazy to me bc its overspun @ 7k engine rpm already.

the end result from both scenarios is I cant run the ****ing AC at lights in traffic when it's super hot out (coolant temps will start to climb, I don't usually let em go past 220) or with the mark 8 fan voltage drops too low.

I guess I could move to a whipple like everyone else and their brother but I really dont wanna deal with finding all the terminator intercooler crap to put in and then fight IAT2 here in fl. Just seems like dump so much money into what are supposed to be good parts and still end up with too much bullshit
Man that sucks. I can imagine with it being hot as hell down there why you would have that problem. I’m in southwestern pa and haven’t had issue one with my procharger set up. My temps when n/a now procharged have been almost identical. I did the head cooling mod and plan to go e85. Have a three core intercooler and a big red bov. Idk any other suggestions for cooling other than heat extractor hood. I guess maybe small shot of NOS but most of this stuff only helps with intake air temps and the nos in my opinion would just be one more thing to baby sit.
 

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I hear the frustration but I don’t think a switch to turbo is the answer.

Have you tried the Termi stat mod? Or the reisch 170?

RE the charging at idle. So the voltage gets so low that you can’t run the fans or?


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Honestly it sounds like the alternator is your issue. I had one rebuilt to 200amp and it acted exactly like yours. At idle it barely put out 12vdc, but as soon as the engine crossed 1000rpm it jumped to 14.5vdc. I did the smaller pulley thing and raising the idle, but it was never 100%. I ended up switching to a J2Fab when they went on sale one year. I've been happy with it since.

As for the turbo idea, when I looked into it when I had my 01 my research showed your best bet would be to go custom. Everyone I that followed ended up changing enough that going custom would have been easier and cheaper in the long run. Even my buddies Hellion kit wasn't 100% bolt on. And it's since been modified more in the car it's currently in.
 

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I have an on3 delete (did not change temps one way or another), and a 180 stat. I tried a 170, all it did was run too cold on the highway, did nothing to fight temp climb. Whatever year Mark 8 fan I have is single speed.

heat extractor hoods and such aren't going to help when stopped, you need something driving air flow to force it through the coolers.

voltage at idle on the gauge will drop into the low 12s/high 11s so in reality mid to low 12s at the batter (via Aeroforce so there's that whole disconnect between OBD2 and battery). Turning off the AC kills enough draw it bounces back up to 13+ on the gauge. Aftermarket stereo being on @ normal volume doesn't seem to matter.

with the turbo kit I could go back to a 6 rib belt and the correct smaller alt pulley to get proper idle rpm without spinning it through the moon at redline but damn I dont wanna deal with all that really.

I may swap the factory fan back for shits and giggles and see how it does @ idle, We've got about a month of stupid hot weather left.

edit: I suppose another option I hadn't considered would be to raise my idle say 50rpms and see what happens, that would be ~140 @ the alternator
 
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Honestly it sounds like the alternator is your issue. I had one rebuilt to 200amp and it acted exactly like yours. At idle it barely put out 12vdc, but as soon as the engine crossed 1000rpm it jumped to 14.5vdc. I did the smaller pulley thing and raising the idle, but it was never 100%. I ended up switching to a J2Fab when they went on sale one year. I've been happy with it since.

that's what I have.... Im tempted to try another brand just to see but good lord.

PA seems to want nothing to do with my combo based on their email response.
 

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that's what I have.... Im tempted to try another brand just to see but good lord.

PA seems to want nothing to do with my combo based on their email response.

I only went J2Fab because of the sale. I originally wanted a Nations for the separate regulator. My buddy has one sitting in a box from the newest company that I think is on eBay. The name escapes me right now, but a few of the Terminator guys have them and like them.

Something to think about, the cooling/charging problem isn't going to magically go away with the turbo. If anything it'll get worse depending on where the turbo is. It's just a whole new set of issues.
 

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I only went J2Fab because of the sale. I originally wanted a Nations for the separate regulator. My buddy has one sitting in a box from the newest company that I think is on eBay. The name escapes me right now, but a few of the Terminator guys have them and like them.

Something to think about, the cooling/charging problem isn't going to magically go away with the turbo. If anything it'll get worse depending on where the turbo is. It's just a whole new set of issues.

nations only shows a terminator alt, I checked with them

While true again I can go back to a 6 rib alt pulley and be able to get the correct diameter
 

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right now - it's either I have a charging @ idle issue or a cooling issue when it's hot as hell here in FL.
the stock fan was ok unless stuck in slow moving traffic when its 90+ out (again, its fl, it happens).
The massive draw of the mark 8 fans is causing the alternator to not keep up (200amp aftermarket unit).
I have a 10% OD crank but Im also 8 rib, the stock terminator 2.6" alternator pulley is the smallest I can get on there and just won't put out enough @ idle. Which seems crazy to me bc its overspun @ 7k engine rpm already.

the end result from both scenarios is I cant run the ****ing AC at lights in traffic when it's super hot out (coolant temps will start to climb, I don't usually let em go past 220) or with the mark 8 fan voltage drops too low.

I guess I could move to a whipple like everyone else and their brother but I really dont wanna deal with finding all the terminator intercooler crap to put in and then fight IAT2 here in fl. Just seems like dump so much money into what are supposed to be good parts and still end up with too much bullshit

As someone who has the Terminator setup, you’ll also be fighting alternator issues unless you go for A Nations, Mechman, KMJ, etc. My nations unit runs ~14.0 to 14.4 all day.

Just take a breather and tackle one issue first. Going turbo will have a whole other set of issues to overcome.


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As someone who has the Terminator setup, you’ll also be fighting alternator issues unless you go for A Nations, Mechman, KMJ, etc. My nations unit runs ~14.0 to 14.4 all day.

Just take a breather and tackle one issue first. Going turbo will have a whole other set of issues to overcome.


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Honestly at this point I’d probably sell the bitch before going through a turbo swap now that I’ve thought about it more… sit on the cash and put it towards something with a hellcat in it and be done with it

I’ll check alternator voltage and hopefully kmj will get back to me.
 

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Honestly at this point I’d probably sell the bitch before going through a turbo swap now that I’ve thought about it more… sit on the cash and put it towards something with a hellcat in it and be done with it

I’ll check alternator voltage and hopefully kmj will get back to me.
Hellcat!!! That’s dirty talk around here. lol. They are ok but to me that’s store bought hp. I prefer to build mine.
 

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There is something wrong with you alternator setup.. I run a 15% o/d crank and I have no issues.. I run a nations alternator with regulator.. I have no issues at all and I have a custom radiator with two massive fans, electric water pump etc..
 

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There is something wrong with you alternator setup.. I run a 15% o/d crank and I have no issues.. I run a nations alternator with regulator.. I have no issues at all and I have a custom radiator with two massive fans, electric water pump etc..

Edit - checked your IG, I’ll have to talk to Nations.

Is your alternator sitting in the valley like mine would be? Nations only showed a terminator style on their site unless o screwed something up

If it is in the valley - what diameter pulley is on your alternator?
 
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Gotcha ok. Yes it’s in the valley. I had to have them put the holes on the casing not to sure on the diameter of the alternator pulley. It’s small though. But I have no issues. I also have a badass battery too so that probably helps. Xs power battery
 

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my free time to chase bullshit gremlins isn’t what it used to be, nor is my desire to do so as I get older
I hear ya buddy stuff get frustrating and stupid expensive after a while. I have enough in my 01 to buy a small house. I hope my issues if any will be minimal and I hope you get to the bottom of yours.
 

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