Interesting Covid Side Effect

Weather Man

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Not helping the housing shortage out.


Second home demand more than doubles pre-pandemic levels amid pandemic
  • The number of buyers who locked in mortgage rates for second homes soared 178% year over year in April, marking the 11th straight month of 80%-plus growth, reports Redfin.
  • Affluent Americans working remotely from vacation destinations are driving second home sales.
  • The rise demand for second home has more than doubled the increase in primary home, considering how primary home demand slumped to the pandemic last April.
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  • Home prices in seasonal towns (where second homes are often located) rose 27% Y/Y in April to $450,000, whereas home prices in non-seasonal towns were up 28% to $419,000.
  • The price jump touches a record high, however it is somewhat inflated because price growth was slow at this time last year due to stay-home orders and economic lockdowns related to the pandemic.
  • “The combination of the wealthy becoming wealthier, remote work turning into the new normal and low mortgage rates is creating an ideal environment for affluent Americans to buy vacation homes,” said Redfin Chief Economist Daryl Fairweather. “As long as the economy continues to grow, I don’t foresee demand for second homes slowing down anytime soon.”
 

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Remember reading that people from NY were buying sight unseen around the state to work from.
I bought sight unseen in Naples but the real estate agent was a family friend. Had the property inspected and didn’t actually walk into the property until the walk through the day before closing. Would never do that again and do not recommend it. We got lucky. Not my second home either.
 

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I don't how people afford this shit. Especially factoring in taxes and maintenance. My wife and I both make good money and we couldn't dream of a 2nd home without over leveraging ourselves.
Air bnb, look at the prices on abnb right now. I don't know if those prices will hold for years, but they are 2-3 times what the were 2 years ago. Lets say you spend $5-600k on a second vacation home. You have to put 20% down since it is not your primary residence. lets say your mortgage is $450k at 3.5 and that equals $2k add in $500 a month for taxes and insurance and you have a $2500 payment. A nice whole home is renting for $3-500 a night. 10 nights a month has payed your mortgage payment and then some. Most people claim their abnb rents an average of 20 days out of the month. Right now you can easily double your money every month while using the banks money to do it.
 

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Air bnb, look at the prices on abnb right now. I don't know if those prices will hold for years, but they are 2-3 times what the were 2 years ago. Lets say you spend $5-600k on a second vacation home. You have to put 20% down since it is not your primary residence. lets say your mortgage is $450k at 3.5 and that equals $2k add in $500 a month for taxes and insurance and you have a $2500 payment. A nice whole home is renting for $3-500 a night. 10 nights a month has payed your mortgage payment and then some. Most people claim their abnb rents an average of 20 days out of the month. Right now you can easily double your money every month while using the banks money to do it.

I can see a lot of people doing that, but if you have to depend on renters to pay for it then good luck. What happens when not if The Great Reset hits the economy. That's just a little too much Live, Laugh, Love for today for me.
 

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I can see a lot of people doing that, but if you have to depend on renters to pay for it then good luck. What happens when not if The Great Reset hits the economy. That's just a little too much Live, Laugh, Love for today for me.
Then convert from short term to long term rental and thoroughly screen the tenants.
 

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My AirBNB is doing well this year for sure.

Only saw about a 15% sales price hike. Almost sold but the buyers were not able to take all the reservations.

I do notice that the vast majority of users are newly registered so I’m assuming they are giving me their stimulus money.


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Home prices are ****ed right now. We are trying to buy our first home and can't compete with the sight unseen paying over asking price people. I told my wife this morning it's very likely we don't get to buy anything now and we are just gonna have to deal with having a small place with the next kid due in august. It's either that or save up and pay over asking/appraisal amount.

It's partially our own fault, we talked about buying for the last 2 years but I had made the switch from one dealer to another (within the same employer) but even still our mortgage agent said they wouldn't count my income until I was at the new place for 2 years since I'm 100% commission.
 

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Biden will probably do a 51% tax rate for 2nd homes.

2 homes or more should be reserved for billionaires... tax out the peasant millionaires.
 

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Yea, I believe it.

Got a few offers out of state that were 10-15k higher than the local bids but they wouldn't increase the amount out of pocket if the appraisal came in lower than selling price.

Took the safer bid and went local.

And then a house down the street sold for 15k more than mine which was smaller and had no upgrades. The few realtors I know in this area believe it was a cash buyer out of state.

Idiots bought a house that would of appraised for ~35k less easily. Probably got into a bidding war with someone just to spite them lol
 

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I'd be all set with renting out my bed to some chumps.
It's not really "your place" if strangers are staying in it.
 

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Home prices are ****ed right now. We are trying to buy our first home and can't compete with the sight unseen paying over asking price people. I told my wife this morning it's very likely we don't get to buy anything now and we are just gonna have to deal with having a small place with the next kid due in august. It's either that or save up and pay over asking/appraisal amount.

It's partially our own fault, we talked about buying for the last 2 years but I had made the switch from one dealer to another (within the same employer) but even still our mortgage agent said they wouldn't count my income until I was at the new place for 2 years since I'm 100% commission.
I wouldn't buy anything right now. Buy the dip...and it's coming.
 

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I don't how people afford this shit. Especially factoring in taxes and maintenance. My wife and I both make good money and we couldn't dream of a 2nd home without over leveraging ourselves.
**** two houses, I can't afford one home at this point in AZ. This is nuts. A friend of mine just lost out on a $500k house because someone offered $150k cash over list. House flippers and developers are the worst thing to happen to the housing market.

I've had my eye on a house around the corner from my dad for 15 years. The owner was very old so I knew it was coming up for sale at some point. Two days ago a for sale sign went up with a sold plackard already on it. It never even went up for sale. There's an underground housing network here in Phoenix where developers and flippers get first crack at homes before they are even listed. They buy reasonably priced homes for the lots then build multi-million dollar mansions that barely fit on the lots thus driving the comps through the roof. The average home price in Phoenix metro 6.4x the city's average dual family income. This housing market is worse than in 06.
 

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**** two houses, I can't afford one home at this point in AZ. This is nuts. A friend of mine just lost out on a $500k house because someone offered $150k cash over list. House flippers and developers are the worst thing to happen to the housing market.

I've had my eye on a house around the corner from my dad for 15 years. The owner was very old so I knew it was coming up for sale at some point. Two days ago a for sale sign went up with a sold plackard already on it. It never even went up for sale. There's an underground housing network here in Phoenix where developers and flippers get first crack at homes before they are even listed. They buy reasonably priced homes for the lots then build multi-million dollar mansions that barely fit on the lots thus driving the comps through the roof. The average home price in Phoenix metro 6.4x the city's average dual family income. This housing market is worse than in 06.
It's not a secrete underground, but yeah, that's how it works. Investment teams nab up houses before they get on contract, pay cash and avoid paying a 6% real-estate agent fee.

Also, sites like Zillo and Trulia charge fees and are only a portion of the market.

PHX area is hot thanks to the implosion of the Left Coast. I guess I'll just have cash out in 15 years when this place becomes a Fascist shit show.

Bought my house last year for $60k over listing with 53 competing bids. It's already appreciated $30k over that price and houses in my neighborhood sell in a day or two.
 

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We just sold our house, with 5 offers all but one over our list price. The one we accepted was $20K over and she just sold her house (closed yesterday with no problems) and her agent said, "she will make up the difference if the appraisal is less than the sales price" - she is planning on 20% down.

And our offer on a new condo was accepted today. Much more than I wanted to pay, but everything was getting bought before we could even get in to see it. The mortgage person has done several deals in the development already so she said that the appraisal will not be an issue.
 

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Home prices are ****ed right now. We are trying to buy our first home and can't compete with the sight unseen paying over asking price people. I told my wife this morning it's very likely we don't get to buy anything now and we are just gonna have to deal with having a small place with the next kid due in august. It's either that or save up and pay over asking/appraisal amount.

It's partially our own fault, we talked about buying for the last 2 years but I had made the switch from one dealer to another (within the same employer) but even still our mortgage agent said they wouldn't count my income until I was at the new place for 2 years since I'm 100% commission.

I’d wait man.

Don’t be “house poor”.

While owning real estate is a building block to financial success, overpaying def is not.

I got bit in the 2008 bust. Both places I bought in 2004/2005 were down 50% at one point. Did quite well selling them in 2019 and 2020 but still, this stuff follows a cycle usually.

This is different than the 2008 bust but I’m holding for now and sitting on cash.


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California just experienced their first population decrease so those of you in AZ are probably putting up with that mass exodus and will unfortunately have a California of your own here soon.
 

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