Buyer beware on this C6 Z06

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So my question to you would be if this was a Trinity GT500 and the seller installed a 2012 alum. 5.4 engine with all the 2013 underpinnings would you react the same way or you would cry foul because it's a Mustang?

The type of vehicle here doesn't matter. It's the fact something was done to downgrade a car without disclosure be it a complete interior swap or engine swap. You would be hard pressed to know a 5.4 is sitting where a 5.8 should be unless you really dig into the engine compartment and know what to look for.
Except that analogy is horse shit.

The guy didn't touch mechanicals and isn't trying to pass the car off as a higher trim. Quite the opposite.

It's more like some dude selling a "Stock Hellcat" but you found out it originally had Brass Monkey wheels and he treaded them out for some stock Hellcat wheels.

Or a guy with a Cobra that came with the red 10AE interior, changed it to a standard and never once claimed the car was a 10AE.

Maybe I've just dealt with enough classic cars that actually have impactful values based on trim and options and have seen all the shenanigans. But if this was a scam its a 1/10 on the scam scale.

He cosmetically downgraded a car, and is claiming its downgraded. He's not covering up a wreck or flood. He's not dressing up a lower model and claiming it's a rare premium model to make an extra buck.

Asking price is irrelevant here btw. I'm sure if it was still a ZL3 or whatever he'd be advertising that and asking even more.
 
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Go put a Cobra badge on a GT and see how. Many pages we get.

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This thread shows how dead our beloved forum is right now lol

imagine how dead it would be if there was a c6z06 thread and a how to kill squirrels thread with the same amount of pages


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.. wait
 

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[mention]RedVenom48 [/mention] I would drop that forum like a bad habit with the way they were giving you friendly for calling out someone being dishonest on a sale. I liked the part about agent orange and the shaky photos. The interior was the fuzziest photo of them all.


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People are getting the seller's later posts admitting to it (after it being brought to light) as disclosure and that isn't what it looked like starting off the ad and I don't think he wanted to disclose it.

My whole thing about disclosing it is not so much about the current value or selling the car as a lower trim but just about keeping the overall integrity of sales of collector vehicles so these kinds of things have to be called out and corrected whenever found. Some may not believe it surprisingly, but a C6Z will become a collector car someday. When EVs have fully taken over and there are a lot less low miles original C6Zs around, that owner of the car may want to get it appraised and the car will not be able to be appraised for it's full value for not meeting its trim as designated by the vin. My dad had a blue 68 427/435hp vert with blue interior and if he had that car today 53 years later and he got it appraised only to find out the value was significantly lower because it was actually supposed to have the black interior... well I think most people would be pretty upset to find out your classic car could have appraised much higher.

It's a simple thing to just acknowledge that you swapped the interiors to a lower model trim. No one's going to crucify you but they will appreciate the honesty if they are on a search for an original car. It's a lot easier to type out a few sentences in your ad (for a notable swap that should be disclosed anyways) then for someone like me who likes Zs but doesn't know what interior combo goes with what. I know how to find it out but it would take me a little longer to piece it together. Just be honest and upfront, damn.
 

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Except that analogy is horse shit.

I will disagree with you on that.

The guy didn't touch mechanicals and isn't trying to pass the car off as a higher trim. Quite the opposite.

We don't know about that do we? I know what I did on that LS7 before I sold it and he got most of the mods correct in his description of what was done mechanically but there's two items that I'm quite sure 99.9% that he didn't do but he mentioned it and the only way for someone to know for sure those 2 items aren't there is to tear into the engine to check. Now he might've just not know for sure the engine mods I did so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

It's more like some dude selling a "Stock Hellcat" but you found out it originally had Brass Monkey wheels and he treaded them out for some stock Hellcat wheels.

We aren't talking simple quick change mods like wheels, exhaust, interior trim bits etc etc. He gutted the whole interior of that car and replaced it with a downgraded interior from lesser equipped Corvettes. The key here is he didn't disclose it in his ad and only mentioned it to save face once it was brought to light that the car doesn't have the interior that it came with from the factory.

I don't know about you but in my book swapping a major mechanical item like a downgraded engine or taking the whole factory spec interior out of a car to replace with something inferior is the same thing a BIG NO NO in most cases and made even worse when it isn't mentioned in a FS ad.


Or a guy with a Cobra that came with the red 10AE interior, changed it to a standard and never once claimed the car was a 10AE.

And if he sells that Cobra and doesn't disclose that he changed it he is trying to pull a fast one over any possible buyers if they don't do their full diligence.

Maybe I've just dealt with enough classic cars that actually have impactful values based on trim and options and have seen all the shenanigans. But if this was a scam its a 1/10 on the scam scale.

I don't think he was trying a scam, more like switching the interior and hoping a buyer would just take his word on the car as described and hoping that the buyer doesn't check the VIN for what the specs of the car should be from the factory, that's all.

He cosmetically downgraded a car, and is claiming its downgraded.

No, he cosmetically downgraded a car and claiming it is a lesser spec like from factory and not disclosing that the car was originally a higher spec version due to the interior it had from new that he removed.


He's not covering up a wreck or flood. He's not dressing up a lower model and claiming it's a rare premium model to make an extra buck.

Let's hope not that would be really bad.


Asking price is irrelevant here btw. I'm sure if it was still a ZL3 or whatever he'd be advertising that and asking even more.

Anyways, like I said now that what he did is revealed anybody that is interested in the car can purchase it if it's not a big deal to them that the car is now a molested 2LZ car..............again caveat emptor.
 

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Anyways, like I said now that what he did is revealed anybody that is interested in the car can purchase it if it's not a big deal to them that the car is now a molested 2LZ car..............again caveat emptor.

I would say the value is definitely decreased, long term speaking only, by approximately 17.63% based on historical trends.

He is best advised to correct the ad immediately while i tighten my velcro New Balance shoes.

Buyer beware!
 

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I would say the value is definitely decreased, long term speaking only, by approximately 17.63% based on historical trends.

He is best advised to correct the ad immediately while i tighten my velcro New Balance shoes.

Buyer beware!
Bro, no lie I want a pair when I turn 40.
 

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[mention]RedVenom48 [/mention] I would drop that forum like a bad habit with the way they were giving you friendly for calling out someone being dishonest on a sale. I liked the part about agent orange and the shaky photos. The interior was the fuzziest photo of them all.


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It was interesting seeing as many guys jump to his defense about it. Totally missed the point which was the deception of the swap in the initial ad. Admitting to it after the fact does NOT absolve him of the initial deception.

Most probably dont care. But as @svtfocus2cobra and his dad found out, it can be a big killer years down the road. And THAT is what the sellers dishonesty needs to be called for.

I'm sure there are plenty of buyers today that dont care and would gladly own it. But what happens to the next owner that wants to sell, only to have offers pulled from people who know their shit and see it's not eligible to be an original car
 

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