Trinity article about motors blowing up

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It seems silly to think a 2013-14 GT500 is the last real Shelby because they were the last ones built while he was alive. Is a Trinity GT500 not a Ford? because Henry was in the ground decades before they were ever built. If a person wants to think a Trinity car is more important than the 2020 GT500 because it was built while CS was still a live more power to them but thats Silly. Shelby hasn't been building the Mustang for decades.
I'm not sure what your point is here, or when you claimed "the last real shelbys were 1967's after that Ford started building them." I didn't say "2013-14 GT500 is the last real Shelby" or that "a Trinity GT500 [is] not a Ford." Mustangs have ALWAYS been built by Ford, including those produced prior to 1968. In the 60s, Mustangs were MODIFIED by Shelby's team, at his facility. In the modern era and as described in the video, Shelby was "hands on and immersed in the development of... every Shelby Mustang [thru the 2013 MY]." Shelby NEVER built Mustangs.

The 13-14's are great/special cars but to me it has nothing to do with the Shelby name. They are a great combination of looks, power, refinement, and modern tech. I looked hard at buying one a year ago when they were cheap because of the 2020 release but what kept me from pulling the trigger was too modern for me, and the stock motor not being able to handle less than my Terminator motor. If I was going to go buy a more modern Mustang it would be a 2013 Boss 302 or a 13-14 GT500, amazing looking cars with the ability to make some power.
I agree with most of this, though I like the fact that Shelby was "hands on and immersed in the development of the new 2013 Shelby GT500 Mustang."
 

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I'm not sure what your point is here, or when you claimed "the last real shelbys were 1967's after that Ford started building them." I didn't say "2013-14 GT500 is the last real Shelby" or that "a Trinity GT500 [is] not a Ford." Mustangs have ALWAYS been built by Ford, including those produced prior to 1968. In the 60s, Mustangs were MODIFIED by Shelby's team, at his facility. In the modern era and as described in the video, Shelby was "hands on and immersed in the development of... every Shelby Mustang [thru the 2013 MY]." Shelby NEVER built Mustangs.


I agree with most of this, though I like the fact that Shelby was "hands on and immersed in the development of the new 2013 Shelby GT500 Mustang."
And then. There's that..
 

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If you're talking about bad company and l&m, they tracked it down to the installation shop having late night fun with his car.

I have heard nothing but good things about the JDM 5.8!!I remember what happened to the guy with that L&M motor,and its just a six had nothing but problems with a mmr motor.
 

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I read that article once, they weren't very knowledgeable about the trinity, don't remember details.
5.8 vs 5.2... the pd blower governs power levels, engine cid (at similar compression) governs when in will predetonate (octane requirements).
Trinity vs hellcat... we have similar rwhp with about 300 lbs less weight. So better power: weight ratio. (Though they have auto transmissions).

I chalk the misinformation on these engines to their limited run leading to limited people with knowledge of them. I've even had coyote people at the drag strip tell me it's too bad the trinity can't keep up with the coyote...(they had turbo autos though).
 

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I learned the hard way that mmr parts don't have qa/qc. They don't ensure their billet parts are dimensionally accurate which ended up causing my oil pump bypass to get stuck open.

I would go to JDM engineering before i would get a L&M motor or MMR.
 

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MPR in Florida does really good engine work as well. I almost went with JDM until Bad Company recommended MPR alongside Accufab (for if you really want it built right).
 

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MPR in Florida does really good engine work as well. I almost went with JDM until Bad Company recommended MPR alongside Accufab (for if you really want it built right).

That’s the company I been looking at because I am in Florida so shipping will be a positive factor. I haven’t had a chance to check in cost yet. Do you mind sharing?


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I did head porting and cams as well, so my cost wasn't apples to apples with a short block.

I’m planing to do the same but was thinking of Modular Head Shop for the heads and cams. I guess it would be nice to have it all done on the same shop


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I read that article once, they weren't very knowledgeable about the trinity, don't remember details.
5.8 vs 5.2... the pd blower governs power levels, engine cid (at similar compression) governs when in will predetonate (octane requirements).
Trinity vs hellcat... we have similar rwhp with about 300 lbs less weight. So better power: weight ratio. (Though they have auto transmissions).

I chalk the misinformation on these engines to their limited run leading to limited people with knowledge of them. I've even had coyote people at the drag strip tell me it's too bad the trinity can't keep up with the coyote...(they had turbo autos though).
I'd say majority of people don't know what's the difference between the 5.8 and 5.4 besides one has more cubic inches. Hence why there's so much bad information out there. The Gen3 coyote is a badass factory engine, but the Gen1 and Gen2 coyotes aren't anything special.
 

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MPR in Florida does really good engine work as well. I almost went with JDM until Bad Company recommended MPR alongside Accufab (for if you really want it built right).
I'm going to call MPR, L&M and JDM to get some quotes on building my 5.8, maybe Accufab as well since they're in California.
 

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I think modular head shop is down the street from mpr, I wouldnt be surprised if they do the headwork for them.

I’m planing to do the same but was thinking of Modular Head Shop for the heads and cams. I guess it would be nice to have it all done on the same shop


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Doesn’t matter what the intentions were, the rods are the weak link in the 13/14 and arguably weaker than the 07-12 rod (also weak) being the small end of the 13/14 is smaller (although mostly the same part).

It’s a damn shame because the crank is forged and strong as hell as are the pistons (forged).

Honestly, it’s a 1000hp motor IMO other than the crappy rods.



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I've been thinking about this issue.

What type of Rods are in the 5.8, surely they are forged?

Instead of waiting to blow your engine and then face a $15K - $20K rebuild, why can't the stock Rods just be replaced with better Rods?

That way its alot cheaper build/preventative measure and it helps those guys like me running bolt on mainly or Cams in the 800hp range that dont want 1000hp+ big numbers.
 

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I've been thinking about this issue.

What type of Rods are in the 5.8, surely they are forged?

Instead of waiting to blow your engine and then face a $15K - $20K rebuild, why can't the stock Rods just be replaced with better Rods?

That way its alot cheaper build/preventative measure and it helps those guys like me running bolt on mainly or Cams in the 800hp range that dont want 1000hp+ big numbers.
IIRC, they're not forged, which is what makes them the weak link.

Proactively replacing them is a good idea if you're pushing far beyond stock power levels. It doesn't do any harm, but I'm not how much "it helps those guys like [us] running bolt on mainly?"
 

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I've been thinking about this issue.

What type of Rods are in the 5.8, surely they are forged?

Instead of waiting to blow your engine and then face a $15K - $20K rebuild, why can't the stock Rods just be replaced with better Rods?

That way its alot cheaper build/preventative measure and it helps those guys like me running bolt on mainly or Cams in the 800hp range that dont want 1000hp+ big numbers.
The rods are all all same for 07 to 14, the only difference is the 13/14 rods are narrowed at the top to fit in the Manely pistons, since they narrowed the rods they deleted the oiling pin at the top of the rod to keep strengthen intact, that's why the 13/14s have piston squirters so they can lubricat the wrist pin without the oiling pin. So the rods in the 5.8 are just as strong as the 07 to 12 rods. The down fall is the piston is a little heavier and the 5.8 has more compression. To big things working against.
 

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Dropped forged factory rods, not the good stuff but Ford still says ‘forged’.
Unless you’re looking for over 1200rwhp, any of the shops mentioned can screw together a good mod motor.
The ‘just replace the rods’ question was answered many years ago and it’s possible but not economical.
A simple rebuild with forged rods will make 1000rwhp all day, only cams necessary.
-J
 

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Well.... as expected I added more goodies. I mean...it’s now or never....

here’s the FINAL build


Package
- Ford OEM 5.8L Engine Block
- Ford OEM Crankshaft
- Diamond Pistons
- Manley I Beam Rods
- King Racing Rod and Main Bearings
- ARP Main Studs, Head Studs, Side Bolts
- Cometic Head Gaskets
- Machine Shop Services:
Balance Rotating Assembly
Torque Plate Hone Cylinders
Deck Cylinder Heads
- Removal and Disassembly of Engine
- Blueprint and Assembly of Short Block
- Assembly and Installation of Engine
- Ford OEM Oil Pickup Tube and Oil Cooler
- Break In Oil
Parts


Package
NSR Camshafts
Low Vacuum Bypass
Installation
Package
Suspension Upgrades:
- Upper Control Arm with Mount
- Adjustable Panhard Bar
- Lower Control Arm Relo Brackets
- Lowering Springs
- Installation and Setup
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McLeod RXT Clutch
Ford Slave Cylinder

Thoughts?
 

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