Dam Our Military Is No Freaken Joke!

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Size doesn't equal capability.

I've tracked chinese subs. I've worked with chinese ships.
They are formidable. They have good weapons. They are also still learning. When they deploy outside a certain area it's a big deal. We deployable world wide on the regular.

The us navy has 11 carriers. No one else has more than 2.
We have 24 flat deck amphibia that are bigger than most navies carriers.

We have a sub fleet that is superior to anyone's. By a large margin.


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It's all about that Minesweep life! Just playing....lol. I was stationed with most of the guys in this video at one point or another and did pretty much everything on that ship there is to be done. Mineman pretty much run everything but the engines. I worked SONAR, CIC, Armory for the most part. Alot of deck evolutions as well. Sadly, this ship the USS Guardian died a horrible fate which cost the US 1.8B to recover from a coral reef. Seems the digital Nav charts were wrong and they were not where they thought they were. I also use to do Nav plot on paper copies and we made corrections by hand. The bridge OS does the same and the CO compares them for uniformity. She had to be dismantled on the reef and hauled away.
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Define waste? Were the richest country on Earth by a long shot! The money u claim were "Wasting" doesn't seem to have ANY impact on our countries ability to STILL be the SUPER POWER of the world both financially and militarily!

I have no issue WASTING money on our military to secure our safety so no that one ever ****s with us and knowing if they did they would get turned into Dust. That makes me sleep pretty easy at night actually!

Were spending 85 to 120 million a copy for F-35's that have a 200 round drum for the 20MM cannon on it. This plane was supposed to replace the A-10 and F-16 and one of it's duties was to provide close air support to the Army. How low do you think they will let that plane fly providing close air support? The Army, knowing they were being boned with a gigantic Air Force donkey slong immediately started trying to get its own fixed wing close air support plane.
 

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Were spending 85 to 120 million a copy for F-35's that have a 200 round drum for the 20MM cannon on it. This plane was supposed to replace the A-10 and F-16 and one of it's duties was to provide close air support to the Army. How low do you think they will let that plane fly providing close air support? The Army, knowing they were being boned with a gigantic Air Force donkey slong immediately started trying to get its own fixed wing close air support plane.

And what does it cost China to build their fighter jets? I honestly have no clue but I would bet its a fraction of that. Again, a lot more bang for the buck.
 

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And what does it cost China to build their fighter jets? I honestly have no clue but I would bet its a fraction of that. Again, a lot more bang for the buck.

That was my point combined with also purchasing the WRONG jets.
 

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And what does it cost China to build their fighter jets? I honestly have no clue but I would bet its a fraction of that. Again, a lot more bang for the buck.

That slave labor really comes in handy. Hopefully the quality is up to par.
 

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The F35 is a dog turd, isn't a real Skunk Works jet and it's only saving grace is that we sell them to countries who've chosen to waste their own money on socialism instead of military might and can't design and produce their own modern aircraft.

Chinese aircraft are garbage. Chinese pilots... well, Chinese pilots.
 

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And what does it cost China to build their fighter jets? I honestly have no clue but I would bet its a fraction of that. Again, a lot more bang for the buck.

I believe the F22 is running us ~$350M a copy because the program was canceled. $60K per flight hour o_O

This is NOT a military problem, it's the civilian morons that ultimately make the $ decisions.
 

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The F35 is a dog turd, isn't a real Skunk Works jet and it's only saving grace is that we sell them to countries who've chosen to waste their own money on socialism instead of military might and can't design and produce their own modern aircraft.

Chinese aircraft are garbage. Chinese pilots... well, Chinese pilots.


Man, I've been patiently waiting for the chinese driver/pilot reference. Two thumbs up for you today.
 

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The F-35 has limited afterburner as well as the RAM covering the vertical stabilizers will start to melt off after 90 seconds or so. Instead of fixing it they limited the time the burners can be running. The F-35 program is like the Air Force is purposely forgetting the mistakes of the ol' "Century Series" fighter's. They were a "Jack of all trades, but a master of none."
The F-22 can fight but we have a very limited number, and several were damaged when Michael took out Tyndal, cutting it from 3 to 2 "active" squadrons. To top it off if even if we wanted to make the Raptor again, somehow we lost the tooling, and the avionics are 90's tech so restarting production would cost more than building a new plane.
The Japanese have been interested in The YF-23 with newer avionics and sensor suite from the F-35, the USAF and even the Navy should get in on that. The Navy is missing the Tomcat and her long legs. There was a proposal that would have upgraded the avionics as well as add new engines that had thrust vectoring and supercruise at Mach 1.3 to the F-14, but it was scrapped and they went with more Super Hornets. Sadly most F-14s are being destroyed just so Iran cant get parts.
 

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So to expand on this topic.

First. Costs are relative.

Average Salary of a US Soldier is $60,000 a year. For a Russian Solider it is $6,000 a year.
US Bases, Barracks, Retirement, Train Facilities, etc are all modern, well kept and very nice. Russia... it's vintage 1950's Soviet style.

Airfield maintenance. In US our runways are flawless with daily FOD walks. In Russia, they are envious of Michigan Roads. Cracks, Pot holes, weeds and FOD everywhere. However, their battle doctrine is based around this as is their aircraft designs. Migs have flaps that close while on the ground preventing material entering the intakes, On top of the aircraft other flaps open for intake.

This brings us to doctrine and purpose.

What is the purpose of the US Military? It's certainly not "defense". We are a global "police and policy enforcement forces". This is contrary to the PLA (Peoples Liberation Army) or the Russian Federalists.

Russia's goal is to maintain control of EuroAsia and protect it's self from American, European and Turkish invasion. They are not planning on sending troops to Columbia and starting a forever war in the name of stopping drug trafficking or some crap.

China wants to bully it's neighbors in the South China Sea. They want to bring all ethnic Chinese under PRC rule and maintain order within their boarders. They've built a system to counter US and Russian threats. China has an advanced array of Anti-Satellite Missiles designed to take out GPS and communications. Their entire defense network is built on buried fiber optic lines that can't easily be bombed, hacked or even found. To deal with the US Navy they plan to simply launch hundreds of hyper-sonic missiles. Sure, Surface to Air defense systems may stop 50% and 25% may still miss... but the Enterprise gets hit by 5 cruise Missiles - it's not a fun day.

The PLA is also not focused on invading the US or fighting Forever Wars. They are focused on hacking, industrial espionage, political manipulation and cohesion. Who needs to fight the US when you just corrupt or leaders and corporations to follow suite? Could you imagine the US saying "Hey, We're not fighting Nazi Germany, their some really great people over there, we're not in competition with them! They make great stuff!" All the while US News helped cover up the holocaust.....

Just look at the NBA and MLB who receive millions from China, say nothing but then have melt downs about Voter ID in Georgia as a grotesque human right violation.
 

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Another point - you can't compare hardware.

People love to do this with WW2 Tanks. Oh, a Tiger is the best, it has the most Armor. Oh a T34 is better because it's fast and cheap! Rarely did battles involve Tank on Tank and ever more rarely was that the deciding factor in the outcome. These are all tools within a greater strategy.

Soviet/Russian Auto-Loader system in tanks for example. While we may argue the western 4 man crew is superior, for many developing nations with limited budget, the 3 man crew is more idea. This means 1 less educated and trained soldier per tank. 1 less mouth to feed, body to cloth and salary to pay. Over 30 tanks that means 30 less soldiers which quickly adds up when you are on a budget or have a very limited number of people capable of being technically trained.

The F35 is designed for 360-Degree Stealth. It is to slowly penetrate enemy airspace and take out key objectives.

The Russian Su-57 (Stealth) has nearly double the aerial performance capability including range, payload and speed. However, it's stealth cross section is predominantly frontal focused. It is not designed to be a penetration aircraft but rather a high-speed aerial dominance aircraft that's going to hit an enemy that's preparing to attack or in the process of attacking.

Another focus is while the US has spent significant time perfecting aerial attacking and stealth - the Russians have put their money into Surface to Air defense systems. The S400 and S600 systems being considered the premier global systems. In fact the US had to cancel Turkey's orders for F35's when they agreed to buy S400's. Fear already existed the new system could potentially track F35's and Turkey (thus Russia) having access to both the system and flight data of F35s would essentially ensure the F35 would not have stealth protections at the very least against the more advanced S600 systems.

So should the US be terrified of a pending Russian attack with SU-57, T14 Tanks, S600 and Hyper Sonic Missiles? Naw.

Russia lacks a budget to put more then a few dozen of these into service. So by the US's mere numerical advantage we would win. But what this does ensure is that the US won't pull a England 1853 and try to bomb Санкт-Петербур (St Petersburg) over the Crimea - as such an event would leave us with a bloody nose.

In fact, this is the primary motivation for countries to acquire nuclear weapons. When Iran becomes a nuclear power, they no longer have to fear a random fart in the wind will cause the US to dispose their government like Syria, Iraq or Libya.
 

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That’s a **** ton of money. How much do we need to spend though.


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Define waste? Were the richest country on Earth by a long shot! The money u claim were "Wasting" doesn't seem to have ANY impact on our countries ability to STILL be the SUPER POWER of the world both financially and militarily!

I have no issue WASTING money on our military to secure our safety so no that one ever ****s with us and knowing if they did they would get turned into Dust. That makes me sleep pretty easy at night actually!

The US military current mission is making us less safe with every innocent person killed. I can’t remember who coined the term but it’s fitting nonetheless; insurgent math, kill one make 10 more.

This is a fantastic book detailing the insanity that is modern US foreign policy

Enough Already: Time to End the War on Terrorism by Scott Horton
 

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I have a plan on how to save money and have the best military in the world. No more tanks, no more destroyers, no more fighter jets. Instead of spending trillions on this shit, buy a shit ton of Ford Raptors, bass boats and Cessnas. Hand out guns to every willing American and just send them where we need to do some damage. Imagine a fleet Raptors tearing across China like a heard of buffalo, bass boats ripping up every river and the sky completely blotted out with thousands upon thousands of Cessnas. They can't get 'em all and it'd be freaking hilarious. Lol
 

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