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I know there aren't many people using forums anymore, but I was hoping a couple guys with 11-14 cars might still be here. I am looking for a ballpark price on building a gen 1 coyote from guys who have had it done. I was quoted $2500 to have the motor pulled and installed, and $7500 for a 1000whp rod/piston motor with some slight head work (valve job, clean up, etc).

Is this a good price? I know a lot of guys went with the gen 2/3 stuff but I'm not sure how reliable that would be long term at that level. Please share (if you don't mind) what it cost you to upgrade to a built motor all said and done.
 

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I went from what you're building (Gen 1 Aluminator) to the next step, strength wise, a Gen 3, 5.2 block (good to 1400+ rwhp without sleeves), heavier duty rods/pistons. I have around $6800 in the shortblock. You can buy new, Gen 2 heads for $1450 and re-use your Gen 1 timing components and have a brutally strong bottom end that will make big power. I spent $3300 on head work with cnc port re-shaping, valves, springs, the works, but it's certainly not required. The new Gen 2 heads I mentioned, come fully assembled.

I paid a Technician friend $2,000 to come to my house for the r & r. He completed the pull in under four hours and that's including pulling the accessories/brackets and neatly laying them out w/bolts in place on my shelves for re-assembly.

This engine has been a great experience. I'm one year in so far. It exceeded my goal for output as well.

Let me know if you have any other questions.


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If you are dead set on building a motor I'd consider Livernois. They have a good reputation and can build you a strong set up for 5500 or so. Check out this link and you can spec it to your liking. Livernois Motorsports

Heads are always a great way to make more power but I don't think it's needed unless you are going max effort. The coyote heads flow pretty darn good and greatly benefit from a cam swap alone. If your going for max effort definitely consider porting your heads, all depends on your budget and goals.

Don't discredit the OEM gen 2 and 3 blocks. While I personally wouldn't do it since I'm a wuss there are several people making 1k plus. My buddies wife 15 Mustang was supercharged since day 1 with a TVS gen 2, that was upgraded to a gen 3, and is now on a twin set up making over 1k to the tires. The car has almost 40k miles on it and outside of opg, crank sprocket, and head studs the engine is OEM.

Your cost of 2500 to r2 the engine is dead on. I do think the quote of 10k to build your existing block is a little high but then again they could be using top tier components and sleeving it. You can always sell your working gen 1 engine to recoup some of the money or leave it laying around for a spare.

If you are not doing the work yourself I would highly consider building the trans while it's all out. Most shops drop the entire k member with engine and trans as one unit. That would save you on future r2 costs

This is an awesome and fun hobby but damn it gets pricey.

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You dont need to port the heads thats a waste of money. Cousin made 1401 whp on stock Gen 1 coyote heads dont waste money there. Shit, I made a 1000 whp on 93 pump thru Gen 1 heads at 18 psi. They flow fine trust me. U will gain NOTHING at ur HP level!

I would opt for some PAC valve (1234) springs and titanium retainers tho for sure in case u turn it up. Even BOSS springs start to float at 15 lbs.

If I was looking to just buy a reasonably priced short block I would opt for MMR which is what I have in my motor for (4) straight years now beating the BALLS off it! And btw that 1000 whp was made on that motor after it had 28k miles on it! So id say compression is still really good! I drive the shit out of my Mustang lol.

That quote definitely didnt include sleeves but it all depends on ur HP goals but just remember the goals u have TODAY will NOT be the goals u have a year later so opting for sleeves gives u room to grow if u feel u need to go faster and u will for sure! Promod refers to the Sleeves being installed. Without its a couple thousand cheaper and u definitely want ARP head studs.

People crack on MMR but its been the most reliable motor ive ever owned period! I would opt for the Pro Mod setup with PAC springs. My advice is spend a little extra money on PAC springs and sleeves that way u know there is no blower setup that wont hold the power. The I-Beams and crank is the same everyone else uses.

Like an idiot when I had my motor built I opted for BOSS springs vs. PAC springs? Why? Cause im ****ing stupid and thought I would never need to make more than 800 whp. Here is a price for the long block from MMR without PAC springs and titanium retainers which is BIG job and cost me with parts and labor another $1800. U dont need cams either.
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I can't see the OP's power adder, current or future hp goals. Ported heads have been good to me. With the same blower speed, the extra airflow brought my boost number down by 4psi. When a guy is getting to the 20 psi realm (blowers guys often do), those 4lbs act as a reset before head gaskets become a concern.

No, head porting isn't for everyone, but imo they are for everyone going 900+ with a blower for the reason mentioned above. As far as power goes, I have no data other than the power gained from my old to new engines. 922 vs 1101. .1 larger displacement, stock cams, ported heads and 1psi less boost, but a little more blower speed. Hardly enough to justify a 75rwhp gain, let alone 179 rwhp gain. Just my hillbilly comparison. All in good fun here, fellas.
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Thanks for the detailed responses guys. I really appreciate the insight from all sides.

For reference, the car has a VMP gen 3 setup at this time. I would like to see the car run bottom 9s and 150 trap speed. I think at this point it would be out of fuel pump and maybe injector so that's another level of mods that would be needed (currently ID1000s and return style GT500 twin pumps). Best pass is a 9.98 ET and best MPH is 138.8 so far.
 

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Ha lmao Don't get me wrong bud im porting mine as well but at his power levels its a waste of money but I guess if everything is out u mite as well do em but he wont gain any performance at the lower boost levels.

Buying some stage 2 heads is still a good idea I agree.

I can't see the OP's power adder, current or future hp goals. Ported heads have been good to me. With the same blower speed, the extra airflow brought my boost number down by 4psi. When a guy is getting to the 20 psi realm (blowers guys often do), those 4lbs act as a reset before head gaskets become a concern.

No, head porting isn't for everyone, but imo they are for everyone going 900+ with a blower for the reason mentioned above. As far as power goes, I have no data other than the power gained from my old to new engines. 922 vs 1101. .1 larger displacement, stock cams, ported heads and 1psi less boost, but a little more blower speed. Hardly enough to justify a 75rwhp gain, let alone 179 rwhp gain. Just my hillbilly comparison. All in good fun here, fellas. View attachment 1694843

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Or you could start with a better head... I have GT350 heads and I believe the Gen 3 heads are similar? I’m not sure how these flow relative to ported Gen 1 heads?
 

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Or you could start with a better head... I have GT350 heads and I believe the Gen 3 heads are similar? I’m not sure how these flow relative to ported Gen 1 heads?
You make a good point. I mentioned new Gen 2 heads above for $1450. How much are the GT350's? Did they require their own valve train and cams? If so, how much were they? Just trying to get solid info out there from someone who has actually done it. Thanks in advance.

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You make a good point. I mentioned new Gen 2 heads above for $1450. How much are the GT350's? Did they require their own valve train and cams? If so, how much were they? Just trying to get solid info out there from someone who has actually done it. Thanks in advance.

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Unfortunately, I can’t be of much help. I looked at my invoice and the GT350 heads were just a single line-item upgrade to a Boss long block build.
 

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