"Clean air act"

Corbic · Mar 12, 2021

tones_RS3 said:
As far I as I understood it, it was state to state, but I think the EPA is Federal and has that "overreach".

Yes, why does no one get this.

EPA - pollution, federal.

DoT- Highway Safety Federal

Emission Testing - left to the states to oversee enforcement of EPA regulations. Many states don't and how they do it varies state to state.

Drinking age is 21 because the federal government will withhold highway funding to any state that is not +21.

EPA wants to do the same with emission testing.

Long term goal is to make own an ICE so painful you will have to buy a new electric.

OEMs are 100% on board because the ICE fleet is sooo old now, almost +15 years. Going EV would mean hundreds of millions of vehicles getting replaced and new sales.

OEMs also want the "great reset" where you no longer own a vehicle nor have a right to repair it. You lease it and maintain it at the OEM dealer. Thus way the OEM ensures its 100% operating correctly, your auto drive is working and you have to buy a new car every 4 years. Lease trade ins will get refurbished and released for another 4 years then scrapped at 8 years.

You'll have 140 million permanent long term EV subscribers shelling out $300-800/m.

Can't afford to pay $300/m forever! Well socialism has an answer for that! Move to your subsidized big-city pod home and ride the newly tax payer funded public transit system!!

VRYALT3R3D · Mar 12, 2021

Corbic said:
OEMs also want the "great reset" where you no longer own a vehicle nor have a right to repair it. You lease it and maintain it at the OEM dealer. Thus way the OEM ensures its 100% operating correctly, your auto drive is working and you have to buy a new car every 4 years. Lease trade ins will get refurbished and released for another 4 years then scrapped at 8 years.

Cool story, brah. That was a whole bunch of bullshit that you just wrote there. This whole "great reset" you just described is complete and utter bullshit that you made up that isn't happening.

BOOGIE MAN · Mar 12, 2021

Corbic said:
Yes, why does no one get this.

EPA - pollution, federal.

DoT- Highway Safety Federal

Emission Testing - left to the states to oversee enforcement of EPA regulations. Many states don't and how they do it varies state to state.

Drinking age is 21 because the federal government will withhold highway funding to any state that is not +21.

EPA wants to do the same with emission testing.

Long term goal is to make own an ICE so painful you will have to buy a new electric.

OEMs are 100% on board because the ICE fleet is sooo old now, almost +15 years. Going EV would mean hundreds of millions of vehicles getting replaced and new sales.

OEMs also want the "great reset" where you no longer own a vehicle nor have a right to repair it. You lease it and maintain it at the OEM dealer. Thus way the OEM ensures its 100% operating correctly, your auto drive is working and you have to buy a new car every 4 years. Lease trade ins will get refurbished and released for another 4 years then scrapped at 8 years.

You'll have 140 million permanent long term EV subscribers shelling out $300-800/m.

Can't afford to pay $300/m forever! Well socialism has an answer for that! Move to your subsidized big-city pod home and ride the newly tax payer funded public transit system!!

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tones_RS3 · Mar 12, 2021

Corbic said:
and ride the newly tax payer funded public transit system!!

YUP!

Too funny. Me and the guys were talking about that today as well. No more vehicles. Take your "public" transportation.
Like cattle all "herded" together. "Herd immunity".

quad · Mar 12, 2021

Corbic said:
OEMs also want the "great reset" where you no longer own a vehicle nor have a right to repair it. You lease it and maintain it at the OEM dealer. Thus way the OEM ensures its 100% operating correctly, your auto drive is working and you have to buy a new car every 4 years. Lease trade ins will get refurbished and released for another 4 years then scrapped at 8 years.

You'll have 140 million permanent long term EV subscribers shelling out $300-800/m.

Can't afford to pay $300/m forever! Well socialism has an answer for that! Move to your subsidized big-city pod home and ride the newly tax payer funded public transit system!!

So much for reducing pollution. There's a saying: "The greenest home is one that's already built". Same thinking could be applied to cars. I recall that the Pruis' carbon footprint was larger than the Hummer.

Toyota Prius vs Hummer H2: Which leaves a bigger carbon footprint? (continued)

"All of this seems pretty shocking as it is, however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped in massive container ships to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel is moved to China to produce what’s called nickel foam. Then it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery.

The lithium and nickel used in these specialized hybrid batteries is mined in central Africa, which in reality are more harm to the environment than the standard lead based batteries in most cars. The Toyota Prius has a 100,000 mile life span, as apposed to a Hummer that will last appx. 300,000 miles. Over its lifetime, a Prius costs $3.25 per mile driven. In contrast, the Hummer costs $1.95 per mile driven."

And of what use will electric vehicles be if the power grid goes offline for a week? I am all for electric vehicles if they can guarantee cheap, relatively clean electric power. But don't want to see gasoline vehicles completely disappear.

The USA better start building hydroelectric plants and fast!

delvin.a · Mar 12, 2021

VRYALT3R3D said:
Cool story, brah. That was a whole bunch of bullshit that you just wrote there. This whole "great reset" you just described is complete and utter bullshit that you made up that isn't happening.

He ain’t lyin or blowing smoke brother. That is 100% factual and you can watch the video on youtube where they tell you all about it.

The Great Reset

or keep your head in the sand

Rb0891 · Mar 12, 2021

VRYALT3R3D said:
Cool story, brah. That was a whole bunch of bullshit that you just wrote there. This whole "great reset" you just described is complete and utter bullshit that you made up that isn't happening.

Cool rebuttal, brah. Care to provide any actual information. Why this wouldn't happen. I believe volvo moved in this direction by including insurance with the lease. Why would they not? You think cellular companies care more about the phone or service. Money to be made on both.

VRYALT3R3D · Mar 12, 2021

Rb0891 said:
Cool rebuttal, brah. Care to provide any actual information. Why this wouldn't happen. I believe volvo moved in this direction by including insurance with the lease. Why would they not? You think cellular companies care more about the phone or service. Money to be made on both.

The subscription services aren't profitable for car companies, bromigo. That is why car companies have been giving up on them. It is not a good business model. Car makers are wholesalers and that is what their strength lies. They know how to design, engineer, and manufacturer cars. They are not retailers and have little to no experience in retail selling directly to customers. Their primary business is selling to dealers i.e. wholesale and that is an important distinction.

Audi, BMW, and Cadillac Subscription Services End; Those From Porsche and Volvo Continue

BMW becomes the latest automaker to shut down its subscription service
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Rb0891 · Mar 12, 2021

VRYALT3R3D said:
The subscription services aren't profitable for car companies, bromigo. That is why car companies have been giving up on them. It is not a good business model. Car makers are wholesalers and that is what their strength lies. They know how to design, engineer, and manufacturer cars. They are not retailers and have little to no experience in retail selling directly to customers. Their primary business is selling to dealers i.e. wholesale and that is an important distinction.

Audi, BMW, and Cadillac Subscription Services End; Those From Porsche and Volvo Continue

BMW becomes the latest automaker to shut down its subscription service
Audi, BMW, and Cadillac Subscription Services End; Those From Porsche and Volvo

Now there is some info.

Maybe not the car manufacturer, but I could still see a full service model sometime in the future. Heck Tesla covers charging on the model S. I don't see people wanting to own and electric car for the life they do currently. Curious on the stats but it seems like people don't hold on less and less. I see the electric car being a cell phone. Constantly upgrading. GM will be Samsung/Apple. A dealer network will be verizon/at&t.

One thing for certain, the current model will kot always be so, just because it always has...

Serpent · Mar 12, 2021

VRYALT3R3D said:
Cool story, brah. That was a whole bunch of bullshit that you just wrote there. This whole "great reset" you just described is complete and utter bullshit that you made up that isn't happening.

Dude, that guy has a history of pulling bullshit out of his ass, I just ignore him.

delvin.a · Mar 12, 2021

VRYALT3R3D said:
The subscription services aren't profitable for car companies, bromigo. That is why car companies have been giving up on them. It is not a good business model. Car makers are wholesalers and that is what their strength lies. They know how to design, engineer, and manufacturer cars. They are not retailers and have little to no experience in retail selling directly to customers. Their primary business is selling to dealers i.e. wholesale and that is an important distinction.

Audi, BMW, and Cadillac Subscription Services End; Those From Porsche and Volvo Continue

BMW becomes the latest automaker to shut down its subscription service
Audi, BMW, and Cadillac Subscription Services End; Those From Porsche and Volvo Continue

You understand how incentives work correct? When the government starts incentivizing this model of owning nothing and loving it suddenly things that once made no money now make mountains. You should watch some world economic forum great reset videos on youtube, they spell all of this insanity out in plain english.

blk02edge · Mar 12, 2021

I know plenty of people who treat new cars the same as cell phones as is. They just keep trading in and going upside down on longer and longer financing terms.

Stupid as it gets

Rb0891 · Mar 12, 2021

delvin.a said:
You understand how incentives work correct? When the government starts incentivizing this model of owning nothing and loving it suddenly things that once made no money now make mountains. You should watch some world economic forum great reset videos on youtube, they spell all of this insanity out in plain english.

True that. You think the gov is going to let you cruise around in your tech dated ev that stresses the grid... nope you will get updated every three years just like your phone. People will just think they are making the choice...

Lmao at people that think 100 year old business models are not going to change. All it takes is a Tesla to do it...

Corbic · Mar 12, 2021

Serpent said:
Dude, that guy has a history of pulling bullshit out of his ass, I just ignore him.

VRYALT3R3D said:
Cool story, brah. That was a whole bunch of bullshit that you just wrote there. This whole "great reset" you just described is complete and utter bullshit that you made up that isn't happening.

You are both idiots and need to go read up or watch some actual videos (from the people supporting this as a great idea).

Why do you think Ford, GM and Toyota are pledging to go full EV in 10 years? So that Chrysler can butt **** them with Hellcats and Wranglers as no-one wants an EV Mustang, Corvette or Tacoma?

Hardly, they will use their political clout to force legislation to back their business models. EVs offer a great opportunity to simplify platforms onto one architecture , using one powertrain and eliminating tons of mechanical components and costs. This will be to the industry in 2030 what FWD chassis development was in the 1980's.

They want to be like Apple and Tesla. Build in all those features as premium software. They want to be like every major industry right now and strip you and third parties of your right to repair. Component serialization is huge right now, so that even if you replace that exact part with an OEM part, you'll still get an error code or it still may not work if you don't get the OEM to do a reflash.

All sorts of lawsuits with Apple, John Deere, etc right now.

With all sorts of autonomous driving systems in the next decade, how do you think an OEM is going to shield themselves from liability?

You driving your car and crash cause a sensor failed. Maybe it's under warranty maybe not. Maybe it was a software glitch? OEM isn't going to give up their proprietary software.

Solution - you lease and the car has mandatory service and inspection intervals handled by exclusively OEM authorized service centers.

"But Corbic! What about H. 4362!!!"

It will be ****ing repealed as part of any acceptance for autonomous driving systems which will be justified by saving 36k lives a year. Period.

How many of you are still rocking an iPhone 4? You can't even use an original iPhone on thr current data systems. Exact same thing with happen with cars. Think of the billions Ford could save by no longer supporting +10 year old cars.

This eliminates all sorts of problems with battery life, sensors, system updates, parts, logistics... And if everyone does it, no fear of competition.

So go read up kiddos.

Corbic · Mar 12, 2021

delvin.a said:
You understand how incentives work correct? When the government starts incentivizing this model of owning nothing and loving it suddenly things that once made no money now make mountains. You should watch some world economic forum great reset videos on youtube, they spell all of this insanity out in plain english.

Exactly. And that's not even crazy Alex inferring that's what they mean. That is them, telling you exactly how they invision the future.

You no longer own a home, you rent. That way they are always updated, efficient and subject to government controls.

You no longer own a car, you lease - see above.

You no longer own a TV, Washer Dryer, Phone, etc. It's all leased with service subscriptions. You don't own movies, music or video games, it's all streamed.

Why Renting Appliances is a Smart Move

The goal has nothing to do with thr environment or equity. It's about making us all the perfect perpetual consumers.

me32 · Mar 12, 2021

blk02edge said:
I know plenty of people who treat new cars the same as cell phones as is. They just keep trading in and going upside down on longer and longer financing terms.

Stupid as it gets

Same thing as a lease. Whats the difference?

Corbic · Mar 12, 2021

Oh and I'm sure it's coming...

"But Corbic! This would put tens of thousands of small businesses out of business! Repair shops, independent retailers! Truck drivers, gas stations!!"

And what?

They don't care. Just look at the global shutdowns which raped small business and made thr monsters even richer.

blk02edge · Mar 12, 2021

me32 said:
Same thing as a lease. Whats the difference?

You don't end up 100k in debt with 50k vehicles...

blk02edge · Mar 12, 2021

Corbic said:
Oh and I'm sure it's coming...

"But Corbic! This would put tens of thousands of small businesses out of business! Repair shops, independent retailers! Truck drivers, gas stations!!"

And what?

They don't care. Just look at the global shutdowns which raped small business and made thr monsters even richer.

Yep, already happening in so many fields, the not so distant future is terrifying. What's more scary is the people who deny all this is coming.

I remember a big debate last year with someone who said the government wasn't coming for our ICE cars... That sure didn't age well...

me32 · Mar 12, 2021

blk02edge said:
You don't end up 100k in debt with 50k vehicles...

How so? Typically you get a lease for 3yrs. Put a down payment you never gain back, pay a continuous car payment and end up with nothing for you money at the end. And pay a fee to return the vehicle and overcharges if you drive too many miles. Then you turn around and do it again because you dont have a vehicle. Never ending payments with nothing you own.

Pretty much the same thing as your example.

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