Two MY20s..how long will they sit

me32 · Feb 28, 2021

blk02edge said:
Yes I am. And we are talking performance cars, not generic cars.

End of the day, its preference but I do laugh when people say it's better... Well sure but you are only happy about it because you don't possess the skill to really enjoy a good old manual on the track at it's limit.

Taking that we say performance car.

Used 2019 Mustang gt with manual or automatic are going for the same price considering both are optioned equal.

Ideally you would have to compare 2 of the same vehicle and year with same option only difference being Auto and manual to prove your theory.

Your picture posted was 2 completely different model years. So not even in the same category.

blk02edge · Feb 28, 2021

me32 said:
Taking that we say performance car.

Used 2019 Mustang gt with manual or automatic are going for the same price considering both are optioned equal.

Ideally you would have to compare 2 of the same vehicle and year with same option only difference being Auto and manual to prove your theory.

Your picture posted was 2 completely different model years. So not even in the same category.

Yea.. We'll see how well that ages lol...

I really look forward to seeing yall in your EV's with auto drive in a couple years when they are entirely superior.

Nerds...

me32 · Feb 28, 2021

blk02edge said:
Yea.. We'll see how well that ages lol...

I really look forward to seeing yall in your EV's with auto drive in a couple years when they are entirely superior.

Nerds...

Lol so cant prove your theory. And assumes we all will be driving EV. Even thoe we are all Ford Performance enthusiasts. I can see the wheels turning in your head right now. Because its definitely not shifting gears.

Dusten · Mar 1, 2021

blk02edge said:
Yes I am. And we are talking performance cars, not generic cars. Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc are good examples. But also in the M series BMW's

End of the day, its preference but I do laugh when people say it's better... Well sure but you are only happy about it because you don't possess the skill to really enjoy a good old manual on the track at it's limit.

It's not about skill. Take a professional driver, they will be faster with a dct. Hence it's "better".

Your argument about value is flawed. Take a sample from a car that has equal numbers of the two.
A lot of those manuals that are worth so much are because they were produced in extremely limited quantities with the auto/dct option being a pile of shit(lambo e-gear, Ferrari f1 box)

blk02edge · Mar 1, 2021

Dusten said:
It's not about skill. Take a professional driver, they will be faster with a dct. Hence it's "better".

Your argument about value is flawed. Take a sample from a car that has equal numbers of the two.
A lot of those manuals that are worth so much are because they were produced in extremely limited quantities with the auto/dct option being a pile of shit(lambo e-gear, Ferrari f1 box)

You take a professional driver, and the time difference is extremely marginal, now, you decide on a car to buy for track days and neither you or your car are actually competing over squat and that 0.5 second difference becomes extremely irrelevant, yes, that gap will be larger with amatuers off the start but if you are serious enough and go often with training you can get close as well. Track days are about fun, not winning. Can not be compared with drag racing in the slightest.

I'll be out there with an H pattern this year in a sea of sequentials and I still plan to dominate.

"Because its better" is not an answer.

Dusten · Mar 1, 2021

blk02edge said:
You take a professional driver, and the time difference is extremely marginal,

Races are won by small margins. So that point is relevant.

now, you decide on a car to buy for track days and neither you or your car are actually competing over squat and that 0.5 second difference becomes extremely irrelevant, yes, that gap will be larger with amatuers off the start but if you are serious enough and go often with training you can get close as well. Track days are about fun, not winning. Can not be compared with drag racing in the slightest.

I never mentioned drag racing.
Track days are about being better and enjoying yourself. I also know plenty of people who track their cars trying to go faster. If it was only about fun, why add good tires, or brakes, or suspension, or more power?

I'll be out there with an H pattern this year in a sea of sequentials and I still plan to dominate.

a sequential is not a dct or pdk. Completely different.

"Because its better" is not an answer.

In racing, faster is better. If you can scientifically prove that one thing is faster that makes it factually bettery.

I like it better is an opinion. Its also an answer

Why do you drive a manual? You like it better.
Why do I drive a dct? I wanted to be as fast as possible.

Both valid answers.

blk02edge · Mar 1, 2021

1- nobody here is "racing" their street legal new cars.
2- slicks/R comps, good brakes and suspension are actually required for a reliable track day car. Power and DCT are not.
3- I know a sequential is different, I actually drive race cars with them. My point is, they are also a mechanical advantage over an H pattern. And in amatuer "racing" and track days, driver skill can and often will overcome this.
4- i've never said someone should not go for a DCT. I just combat the DCT crowd who seem to think the manual is a useless old pencil and DCT is the only way to go.

And to reiterate. Nobody here is "racing" brand new street cars lol. Time attack would be the closest and that aint racing, nor do auto's conquer that series.

These DCT's literally shift for you, next step is the computers will steer for you. Sure might be fun to some, but those will be for the weak limp wristed people who lack skill, no sense of pride. Whatever floats your boat.

Dusten · Mar 1, 2021

blk02edge said:
1- nobody here is "racing" their street legal new cars.
2- slicks/R comps, good brakes and suspension are actually required for a reliable track day car. Power and DCT are not.
3- I know a sequential is different, I actually drive race cars with them. My point is, they are also a mechanical advantage over an H pattern. And in amatuer "racing" and track days, driver skill can and often will overcome this.
4- i've never said someone should not go for a DCT. I just combat the DCT crowd who seem to think the manual is a useless old pencil and DCT is the only way to go.

And to reiterate. Nobody here is "racing" brand new street cars lol. Time attack would be the closest and that aint racing, nor do auto's conquer that series.

These DCT's literally shift for you, next step is the computers will steer for you. Sure might be fun to some, but those will be for the weak limp wristed people who lack skill, no sense of pride. Whatever floats your boat.

I know what a dct does. I've owned 2.
And I know this is a shock, but people do race street legal cars.

I'm also not advocating for or against dct, sequential, or manual. But to claim one is better simply because you think it makes your dick look bigger is silly.
There is a reason the highest levels of racing use automated manuals.

13COBRA · Mar 1, 2021

Dusten said:
There is a reason the highest levels of racing use automated manuals.

Yep. Reliability, service and endurance.

Sent from my Potato

blk02edge · Mar 1, 2021

So we comparing GTLM/GTD/CUP cars to street cars now? The main reason sequentials are used is consistency. Not important on track days, nor do I have an issue with consistency.. Even in H pattern cars faster than the CFTP.

I'd love to see an example of these off the showroom floor street legal race car series..

You can claim manual guys are trying to "measure dicks" but I hate to break it to you but EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON... On the track regardless of whether you bring an Indy car or a spec miata is trying to measure dicks...

Measuring dicks is what the race track is for lol.

Tob · Mar 2, 2021

blk02edge said:
I just combat the DCT crowd who seem to think the manual is a useless old pencil and DCT is the only way to go.

Hey there!

CobraBob · Mar 2, 2021

13COBRA said:
Yep. Reliability, service and endurance.

Sent from my Potato

I'm going to add.....consistency to that list, Nick.

ON D BIT · Mar 7, 2021

blk02edge said:
Yes I am. And we are talking performance cars, not generic cars. Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc are good examples. But also in the M series BMW's

End of the day, its preference but I do laugh when people say it's better... Well sure but you are only happy about it because you don't possess the skill to really enjoy a good old manual on the track at it's limit.

Most of the time it’s not the manual holding the value it’s the limited availability of the manual in a limited edition vehicle. When the manual come in less than 2% of the vehicles produced they will hold value longer.

blk02edge · Mar 8, 2021

ON D BIT said:
Most of the time it’s not the manual holding the value it’s the limited availability of the manual in a limited edition vehicle. When the manual come in less than 2% of the vehicles produced they will hold value longer.

Plenty of examples of cars that have both options and the manual is worth an exponential amount more.

In any case IDGAF personally, an auto car is not far off the soulesness of a Tesla to me as I recently discovered. I'm not the only one who thinks this. My only point is pure performance is not the grand recipe.

delvin.a · Mar 8, 2021

me32 said:
Are you sure about that?

I would say that only seems to be true with older vehicles such as the fox body's and 60s/70s.

The basic used market i dont see any added value in. Manual vs Automatic.

Lol, are you sure about your statement?

It’s true with every model BMW, all the JDM cars from Civic to Supra, Lambos, Ferraris, P-cars almost every single car and truck I’ll add in manual form will hold higher value than the e-gear/smg/dct/auto counterparts will ever hold.

me32 · Mar 8, 2021

delvin.a said:
Lol, are you sure about your statement?

It’s true with every model BMW, all the JDM cars from Civic to Supra, Lambos, Ferraris, P-cars almost every single car and truck I’ll add in manual form will hold higher value than the e-gear/smg/dct/auto counterparts will ever hold.

Go look at the Mustang. Auto and manual in the same price point. Your statement about the Civic is false too. Go look at your kids toys same price point.

Blind you are.

ON D BIT · Mar 9, 2021

blk02edge said:
Plenty of examples of cars that have both options and the manual is worth an exponential amount more.

In any case IDGAF personally, an auto car is not far off the soulesness of a Tesla to me as I recently discovered. I'm not the only one who thinks this. My only point is pure performance is not the grand recipe.

I love the 3 pedals. However I have yet to see a mass produced vehicle(both options, last 30 years) with the manual be more valuable that the auto.

GNBRETT · Mar 9, 2021

$125? A $2200 monthly payment for a Mustang would make me lol literally! Reminds me of my buddy who bought a Mercedes E55 for a $100k and now they sell for $15-18k lol.

In the end its still a Mustang with a crappy interior and needs a shit load of mods to actually be FAST!

SSSSSSSSSSSSVT · Mar 9, 2021

GNBRETT said:
$125? A $2200 monthly payment for a Mustang would make me lol literally! Reminds me of my buddy who bought a Mercedes E55 for a $100k and now they sell for $15-18k lol.

In the end its still a Mustang with a crappy interior and needs a shit load of mods to actually be FAST!

Not true, it runs 11s and is perfect. Some may say it’s a super car!

07 Black Beauty · Mar 9, 2021

SSSSSSSSSSSSVT said:
Not true, it runs 11s and is perfect. Some may say it’s a super car!

It actually runs mid 10's stock, and definitely keeps up w/ high end competition on a roadcourse

Two MY20s..how long will they sit

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