Pit Bulls Are So DANGEROUS!

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Does it really matter, since it's all about the owners, anyway? I don't discount that factor, BTW. The sort of bad owners relevant to his thread tend not to acquire tea cup poodles.

As I alluded to earlier, I don't think pits are more likely to attack a person, they are just better at it if they do.

I have been around plenty of pits, during the service of search warrants, which were big cuddly babies once somebody was actually nice to them. This was often under pretty awful conditions, and the dogs were still good doggies despite their owners.

I have had dobbies before, back when they were the incarnation of evil, so I get the defensiveness. But to not recognize the lethal potential of one's dog is just emotional silliness.
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I recognize the lethal potential of my dog. Just like I recognize the lethal potential of my guns (prior to the unfortunate boating accident), and the lethal potential of my cars. I mitigate those risks. The #1 way to do that with the dog is to be a responsible, loving owner.
Do either of you recognize the lethal potential of your children or spouses?

Your more likely to be killed by them then by a dog.
 

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Do either of you recognize the lethal potential of your children or spouses?

Your more likely to be killed by them then by a dog.


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Corbic wrote: "Do either of you recognize the lethal potential of your children or spouses?"

Women and governments are a lot bigger threat than dogs, for sure.

I am pushing 60, and I like to think that I, too, am still at least a little bit dangerous, if only thru my driving.
 

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I have a theory about why there are so many problems with pits. There is a certain segment of society that use them for a status symbol and or fighting. Being only concerned about money unscrupulous breeders breed as many as they can, by any means possible. Due to this there are many blood lines damaged by inbreeding, some have health problems others are messed up in the head.
 

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Stats re: fatal dog attacks by breed for the period 2015 to 2017 as compiled by The Canine Journal.

That’s a specially laughable statistic as “Pitbull” is not an actual breed of dog but instead a name used to lump together a multitude of different breeds (APBT, Am Staff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, Bully, American Bulldog, Dogos, etc.). There is also a shit ton of dogs that get called “pits” when they clearly are something else. Basically any dog with a muscular body and a squared jaw gets called “pit”.

That statistic is only good for pointing out shit owners. Lol.
 

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No thanks. I’ll go on the other side of the street when I see one. No disrespect to anyone who has one here as we all love our pets. but I just don’t trust them. Once they snap , it’s too late.
 

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I'm a huge dog lover but you have to realize that you can't "love" the instincts out of a dog. Go to any dog park and you will see owners with retrievers playing ball, you'll see the herding dogs chasing other dogs around trying to corral them, and maybe a bloodhound off by itself just sniffing everything. Pitbulls have been bred for bull baiting and dog fighting and while people love to say chihuahuas bite more frequently, they don't do anywhere near the damage a pitbull does. They have extremely high prey drive and insane pain tolerance. The notion that you can just "love" the dog and it will remove these traits is dangerous and analogous to saying if you love your golden retriever a whole lot, it won't want to bring its ball back to you when thrown. There are literally thousands of stories of pit bull type dogs killing toddlers and infants that have had zero history of aggression before the attack and were "family dogs."
 

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I'm a huge dog lover but you have to realize that you can't "love" the instincts out of a dog. Go to any dog park and you will see owners with retrievers playing ball, you'll see the herding dogs chasing other dogs around trying to corral them, and maybe a bloodhound off by itself just sniffing everything. Pitbulls have been bred for bull baiting and dog fighting and while people love to say chihuahuas bite more frequently, they don't do anywhere near the damage a pitbull does. They have extremely high prey drive and insane pain tolerance. The notion that you can just "love" the dog and it will remove these traits is dangerous and analogous to saying if you love your golden retriever a whole lot, it won't want to bring its ball back to you when thrown. There are literally thousands of stories of pit bull type dogs killing toddlers and infants that have had zero history of aggression before the attack and were "family dogs."

You are making a huge error. It has been explained already. “Pit bull” is not a breed, but instead a term used to describe a multitude of different breeds, which have all been bred for different purposes. The “Pit bull” you are referring to (which is the one and only real “Pit bull” is the APBT. Which was bred for fighting and baiting. This is no longer the norm, except for some of the grass root bloodlines. You will be hard pressed to see a real APBT out and about... What you mostly see is mixes, mutts, or other bully breeds... which are NOT bread for fighting...

Unfortunately, “Pit bulls” have attracted a ton of bad “owners”, which have created some pretty unfortunate situations, as well as prolonged a negative stereotype.

Pitbulls (except for APBT that are actually raised and bred for fighting) are just like any other big dog (GS, Rotweilers, Cane Corso, Chow, etc.). They all have the capability of inflicting great harm or death if not owned responsibly. You would have to be a stupid MF’er to approach any of the afore mentioned breeds without an equal level of caution.
 

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No thanks. I’ll go on the other side of the street when I see one. No disrespect to anyone who has one here as we all love our pets. but I just don’t trust them. Once they snap , it’s too late.
You do the same for minorities?
 

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What you mostly see is mixes, mutts, or other bully breeds... which are NOT bread for fighting...

So what are these mixes, etc bread for then? If someone WAS to get a dog for fighting, would they prefer one of these "bull breeds" or a Pug? And why or why not? We both know the answers to my questions.

Pitbulls (except for APBT that are actually raised and bred for fighting) are just like any other big dog (GS, Rotweilers, Cane Corso, Chow, etc.). They all have the capability of inflicting great harm or death if not owned responsibly. You would have to be a stupid MF’er to approach any of the afore mentioned breeds without an equal level of caution.

I agree with you that someone should use caution to approach these dogs, but why is it that an overwhelming majority of dog bite fatalities are caused by what you are calling "bully breeds"? You said that the APBT is very rare, so it must be these bully breeds that are doing all the killing.

Again, do you think it is possible to "love" the instincts out of animals? Or can we agree that these dogs are responsible for killing people at a much higher rate which is due to their lineage?
 

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There are lots of shifty owners of poodles and Chiwawas but kids arernt getting their faces bitten off by those dogs. I personally know a little girl who was mauled by a Pit that was raised in a good home. They simply were blowing out candles and the pit snapped and bit the little girls face. She was in the hospital for several weeks for surgery.

There are many cases just like this one and yes most are of these types of dog. Not many collies or Sheppards attacks in the news. Shitty people own all kinds of breeds. Only a few are tagged by home owners insurance companies.

The little dogs snap too, but they just don't do the damage a pit or rot or Germain Sheppard will do. That's what makes them so dangerous. When they do snap its bad.
 

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I've had German Shepherds for 20 years. We have not had many problems. I have one now. He has got to be a little slow or something. GSD's are the number one biter of humans in the US. I get it. I am fairly experienced and like to think that I can keep them under control. I did have one that could not be squared away though. He was dangerous. You could see it really early on in his life. It was his nature. He was re-homed and used as a farm dog. A good boy from what I have been able to find out. He was NOT going to be a good boy as a family pet.

A girl in my gym just got back from a few months off. Her pit, or one of the breeds from above, bit her ****ing face off while they napped on the couch because her phone or the tv made a noise and startled him. You could see into her sinuses and mouth. It's repaired but she will never look the same. Of course, she said "it's not the dog's fault," which is an interesting take. She is correct on some level. She did bring that animal home. But that dog, in a great home, with ZERO aggressive tendencies, and ZERO history of aggression changed the course of the remainder of her life.

There is a 0% chance you will read a story like that one about my kids. Almost all of my experiences with them have been great. But, I am not convinced.
 
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I've had German Shepherds for 20 years. We have not had many problems. I have one now. He has got to be a little slow or something. GSD's are the number one biter of humans in the US. I get it. I am fairly experienced and like to think that I can keep them under control. I did have one that could not be squared away though. He was dangerous. You could see it really early on in his life. It was his nature. He was re-homed and used as a farm dog. A good boy from what I have been able to find out. He was NOT going to be a good boy as a family pet.

A girl in my gym just got back from a few months off. Her pit, or one of the breeds from above, bit her ****ing face off while they napped on the couch because her phone or the tv made a noise and startled him. You could see into her sinuses and mouth. It's repaired but she will never look the same. Of course, she said "it's not the dog's fault," which is an interesting take. She is correct on some level. She did bring that animal home. But that dog, in a great home, with ZERO aggressive tendencies, and ZERO history of aggression changed the course of the remainder of her life.

There is a 0% chance you will read a story like that one about my kids. Almost all of my experiences with them has been great. But, I am not convinced.
That's another example as to why they are viewed that way. They can do just so much damage. All breeds and various types of people can cause numerous outcomes. You just never know. A dog that can do that much damage, one just has to be aware and know the potential risk. It is what it is.
 

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So what are these mixes, etc bread for then? If someone WAS to get a dog for fighting, would they prefer one of these "bull breeds" or a Pug? And why or why not? We both know the answers to my questions.



I agree with you that someone should use caution to approach these dogs, but why is it that an overwhelming majority of dog bite fatalities are caused by what you are calling "bully breeds"? You said that the APBT is very rare, so it must be these bully breeds that are doing all the killing.

Again, do you think it is possible to "love" the instincts out of animals? Or can we agree that these dogs are responsible for killing people at a much higher rate which is due to their lineage?

I think that you are a bit confused... it is true that these breeds all started with a bull baiting, fighting, blood sport background. But you are talking about 19th century time frame. That has since been so watered down and is no longer the case. It’s been close to 150 years and responsible breeding has transformed the breeds from brawlers to trust worthy companions. These dogs are no longer bred for blood sports.

That’s like trying to equate Husky to a Wolf because it is in its background. Lol.

If I was getting a dog for fighting, I would get either a Dogo Argentino or a Kangal, not a “Pit Bull”, nor a “pug”. Lol.

As I stated before, many different breeds get lumped in as “Pit bull”, not to mention all the mixes and mutts and aren’t even a true “pit bull”.... this is one of the main reasons why you get that “overwhelming majority of bite fatalities reported”.

Then you’ve got to think about the fact that this kind of dog also seems be a favorite amongst low lives. Where responsible ownership is void. Which has created a lot of unfortunate events.

You have to use the same level of caution with any big powerful high prey drive type dog. And just like with humans, some dogs are just gonna have screws loose, no matter the upbringing.

If I’m waking down the street and I see ANY big dog loose, whether an Akita, GS, Rot, Cane Corso, Dogo, Kangal, Presa Canario, Dóberman, Pit bull, etc. You better believe that I am gonna use the same level of caution....
 

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If I’m waking down the street and I see ANY big dog loose, whether an Akita, GS, Rot, Cane Corso, Dogo, Kangal, Presa Canario, Dóberman, Pit bull, etc. You better believe that I am gonna use the same level of caution....
This is part of the reason I CC. Had 90 stitches once already due to an Akita.
 

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