Trinity article about motors blowing up

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I did not say they are failure prone, or more failure prone than other motors.
Simple facts though from guys that race, they break ALOT more than people care to admit to.
Evem under this revered 850whp magic Mark that people seem to always quote you are good if you stay below there.

crank snouts don’t break from tunes or gas.
Rod knock does not come from bad tuning or gas.
I will say all cases I have seen of major failures though, the guys raced.
So if you actually run your car hard, and it’s not just an ice cream getter on Sundays, the dynamic changes a little it seems
 

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I did not say they are failure prone, or more failure prone than other motors.
Simple facts though from guys that race, they break ALOT more than people care to admit to.
Evem under this revered 850whp magic Mark that people seem to always quote you are good if you stay below there.

crank snouts don’t break from tunes or gas.
Rod knock does not come from bad tuning or gas.
I will say all cases I have seen of major failures though, the guys raced.
So if you actually run your car hard, and it’s not just an ice cream getter on Sundays, the dynamic changes a little it seems

First, I’ve never seen anyone say “stay below 850RWHP and you’re fine.” The conservative consensus is that anything above 800 puts you on borrowed time.

Second, Rod failure can’t occur from detonation?

Third, anything you put through severe service is prone to breaking. The list of vehicles made in or before 2014 that can withstand 800RWHP on stock internals is very ****ing short. Hats off to Ford.
 

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First, I’ve never seen anyone say “stay below 850RWHP and you’re fine.” The conservative consensus is that anything above 800 puts you on borrowed time.

Second, Rod failure can’t occur from detonation?

Third, anything you put through severe service is prone to breaking. The list of vehicles made in or before 2014 that can withstand 800RWHP on stock internals is very ****ing short. Hats off to Ford.
Agreed!
 

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First, I’ve never seen anyone say “stay below 850RWHP and you’re fine.” The conservative consensus is that anything above 800 puts you on borrowed time.

Second, Rod failure can’t occur from detonation?

Third, anything you put through severe service is prone to breaking. The list of vehicles made in or before 2014 that can withstand 800RWHP on stock internals is very ****ing short. Hats off to Ford.


You are missing the point. The thread started like these are gods gift to the world and like no one has heard of them breaking. They break . . . .and alot more often than people admit to. That was my only point. I am not going to split hairs on 50whp claims, the point was the point.
PS: Crank snouts can and do break at less HP than that. Crank snouts do not break from detonation.
So powdered rods aside, the cranks aren't indestructible and I have heard of issues with the sleeves as well. Some of that may be detonation in some fashion though.
More than anything what kills these things is the guys that do these 60-170+ rolls.
 

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You are missing the point. The thread started like these are gods gift to the world and like no one has heard of them breaking. They break . . . .and alot more often than people admit to. That was my only point. I am not going to split hairs on 50whp claims, the point was the point.
PS: Crank snouts can and do break at less HP than that. Crank snouts do not break from detonation.
So powdered rods aside, the cranks aren't indestructible and I have heard of issues with the sleeves as well. Some of that may be detonation in some fashion though.
More than anything what kills these things is the guys that do these 60-170+ rolls.

I’m not missing the point.

You’re making claims and moving the goal posts to suit your argument.

You said

“Rod knock does not come from bad tuning or gas.”

I said,

“Rod failure can’t occur from detonation?”

You said,

“Crank snouts do not break from detonation.
So powdered rods aside, the cranks aren't indestructible...”

You said,

“Evem under this revered 850whp magic Mark that people seem to always quote you are good if you stay below there.”

I said,

“First, I’ve never seen anyone say “stay below 850RWHP and you’re fine.” The conservative consensus is that anything above 800 puts you on borrowed time.”


You said,

“ I am not going to split hairs on 50whp claims, the point was the point.”

So whether or not people are reporting failures of the Trinity, you’re advice in my opinion is shotty at best.... I think you’re here to troll...


@3:48 “I got pissed off and put it up for sale....”

You sound butthurt. Shit happens man... it doesn’t mean every single GT500 out there is gonna end up in pieces just because yours did.
 

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Don’t be a dick.
All I said was the break more than these post lead onto. People were getting upset making it seem like this story was bullshit and they don’t break.
All I said was tell that to the guys with broken crank snouts and added the rod knock for good measure as not everyone ends up throwing a rod. Sometimes they get lucky and it ends up just bending or killing bearings.

Don’t bring my comments on selling my car into the mix because I was upset. It has no relevance on the topic.
You are obviously Butthurt I did not simply agree these don’t have a habit of breaking and had to start digging to try and troll me.
Like anything, you race them and they break. More so than anything the 5.8’s tend to nuke on them long rolls people tend to do.
 

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I’m not missing the point.

You’re making claims and moving the goal posts to suit your argument.

You said

“Rod knock does not come from bad tuning or gas.”

I said,

“Rod failure can’t occur from detonation?”

You said,

“Crank snouts do not break from detonation.
So powdered rods aside, the cranks aren't indestructible...”

You said,

“Evem under this revered 850whp magic Mark that people seem to always quote you are good if you stay below there.”

I said,

“First, I’ve never seen anyone say “stay below 850RWHP and you’re fine.” The conservative consensus is that anything above 800 puts you on borrowed time.”


You said,

“ I am not going to split hairs on 50whp claims, the point was the point.”

So whether or not people are reporting failures of the Trinity, you’re advice in my opinion is shotty at best.... I think you’re here to troll...


@3:48 “I got pissed off and put it up for sale....”

You sound butthurt. Shit happens man... it doesn’t mean every single GT500 out there is gonna end up in pieces just because yours did.
Tezz, I think he got mad at my offer for his throttle body too. Lol
 

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GT500 Crank Saver Stud Kit - KINETIK MOTORSPORT

Most of us understand the risk we take when we make big power on the 5.8, and yes its always in the back of my head, but I take care of my engine and my tuner has done an amazing job and I E85.
 

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Don’t be a dick.
All I said was the break more than these post lead onto. People were getting upset making it seem like this story was bullshit and they don’t break.
All I said was tell that to the guys with broken crank snouts and added the rod knock for good measure as not everyone ends up throwing a rod. Sometimes they get lucky and it ends up just bending or killing bearings.

Don’t bring my comments on selling my car into the mix because I was upset. It has no relevance on the topic.
You are obviously Butthurt I did not simply agree these don’t have a habit of breaking and had to start digging to try and troll me.
Like anything, you race them and they break. More so than anything the 5.8’s tend to nuke on them long rolls people tend to do.

1. Im not being a dick. I’m calling you out on your bullshit and now you’re just back peddling.

2. If you don’t want someone to use it, don’t post it on the internet. Your YouTube is fair game as it goes to your character and speaks volumes about what you’re posting.

3. No one is down playing the fact that things break. Assuming that all GT500s are prone to exploding at 701rwhp as the article and you seem to suggest is asinine.

4. Don’t post shit if you’re not ready to receive blow back.

I mean seriously.... you seem so pissed off that your shit broke... imagine getting upset at Ford for building an engine with 662hp that can’t handle 1500hp worth of mods off the factory floor.

On what planet does that make any ****ing sense??
 

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Modded cars break. All of them. Many things you can do to help but at the end of the day, the odds are it will break. Not quite sure what you would expect when adding 150-200RWHP.

Regardless the 5.8 is very stout when modding and tuning safely and not driving like a 16 yr old.


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I am not going to argue with you. My video had nothing to do with my comments, nor my character.
I never said everything breaks, nor did I say it breaks at any magical HP. If anything, I said the opposite.

You are trying to play me like a fool.
Am I mad mine broke? Sure... who wouldn’t be?
That has no relevance on what I said though. I simply responded to the comment that the rods were the only weak link on this motor, which is not the case.
Not sure what this 1500hp figure is you are speaking of. I am sure we have all seen cases of stock GT500’s breaking as well as bolt on only cars.
This isn’t just a oh get a good tuner, or make sure to run e85, or just stick with a <3l blower thing and you are golden.
Shit happens and like everything else, it is possible to break and they do break.
 

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Modded cars break. All of them. Many things you can do to help but at the end of the day, the odds are it will break. Not quite sure what you would expect when adding 150-200RWHP.

Regardless the 5.8 is very stout when modding and tuning safely and not driving like a 16 yr old.


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I agree 100%! That kind of was my point. I was responding to the quotes of being pissed off at the article about noting failure points and like they are unheard of. Also that the rods are the only weak point.
We all know the game we play and the risks if we race.
The guys that experience less/no issues, lilely never or don’t race.
The ones that do, race.
I rarely see a guy that hits a dyno once in a blue moon and takes his car for ice cream or a Sunday car show once a month with a broken car.
 

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Tezz, I think he got mad at my offer for his throttle body too. Lol
You most certainly were one of the people I was talking about now that you bring it up. lol
Again not sure the relevance for the topic at hand, but thanks for the view I guess. lol.
 

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Modded cars break. All of them. Many things you can do to help but at the end of the day, the odds are it will break. Not quite sure what you would expect when adding 150-200RWHP.

Regardless the 5.8 is very stout when modding and tuning safely and not driving like a 16 yr old.
I can get behind the second half of this, but not the first. "All" modded cars do not necessarily break. Some do, some don't. (The same is true of 100% stock cars.) During the next car season, you'll likely meet many modded Shelby owners whose cars are just fine at increased power levels. As I said, it's about the right tune, fuel, driving style, etc.

I agree 100%! That kind of was my point. I was responding to the quotes of being pissed off at the article about noting failure points and like they are unheard of. Also that the rods are the only weak point.
We all know the game we play and the risks if we race.
The guys that experience less/no issues, lilely never or don’t race.
The ones that do, race.
I rarely see a guy that hits a dyno once in a blue moon and takes his car for ice cream or a Sunday car show once a month with a broken car.
Most Trinity owners understand and readily acknowledge that rods are the weakest, not the only weak, link in our engines.

I'm 100% onboard your "know... the risks" comment. I disagree, however, with the notion that racing automatically brings breakage/failure. My car has ~25 1/2-mile and ~15 1-mile race passes on it. Most were made at stock power level, but ~8 of the 1/2-mile passes were after bolt-ons and tune to 733 RWHP & 713 RWTQ. A local friend made ~15 1/2-mile and ~10 1-mile passes on his, all after modding to ~800 RWHP. Almost all our runs were from a dig to 155-175MPH (top-end of 4th gear or well into 5th). Both of us have yet to experience a failure of any kind, including our stock/original clutches.
 

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I can get behind the second half of this, but not the first. "All" modded cars do not necessarily break. Some do, some don't. (The same is true of 100% stock cars.) During the next car season, you'll likely meet many modded Shelby owners whose cars are just fine at increased power levels. As I said, it's about the right tune, fuel, driving style, etc.

100% correct. Definitely man. From reading around the web, these cars are stout for sure.

I had a lowly 01 Cobra with a Vortech Si. 286rwhp stock, 447rwhp when done. I drove it for 20k miles supercharged without one hiccup other than a failed coil pack. Had a ton of fun with it. Drag raced, roll raced etc. its all in the tune, smart mods, good fuel and DRIVING STYLE.


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I'm 100% onboard your "know... the risks" comment. I disagree, however, with the notion that racing automatically brings breakage/failure. My car has ~25 1/2-mile and ~15 1-mile race passes on it. Most were made at stock power level, but ~8 of the 1/2-mile passes were after bolt-ons and tune to 733 RWHP & 713 RWTQ. A local friend made ~15 1/2-mile and ~10 1-mile passes on his, all after modding to ~800 RWHP. Almost all our runs were from a dig to 155-175MPH (top-end of 4th gear or well into 5th). Both of us have yet to experience a failure of any kind, including our stock/original clutches.

This is crazy impressive.




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I can get behind the second half of this, but not the first. "All" modded cars do not necessarily break. Some do, some don't. (The same is true of 100% stock cars.) During the next car season, you'll likely meet many modded Shelby owners whose cars are just fine at increased power levels. As I said, it's about the right tune, fuel, driving style, etc.


Most Trinity owners understand and readily acknowledge that rods are the weakest, not the only weak, link in our engines.

I'm 100% onboard your "know... the risks" comment. I disagree, however, with the notion that racing automatically brings breakage/failure. My car has ~25 1/2-mile and ~15 1-mile race passes on it. Most were made at stock power level, but ~8 of the 1/2-mile passes were after bolt-ons and tune to 733 RWHP & 713 RWTQ. A local friend made ~15 1/2-mile and ~10 1-mile passes on his, all after modding to ~800 RWHP. Almost all our runs were from a dig to 155-175MPH (top-end of 4th gear or well into 5th). Both of us have yet to experience a failure of any kind, including our stock/original clutches.


I wish i had your luck. However I never said ALL of Anything. We seem to be focusing on smaller parts of the conversation and not the major point of my post.
I guess now that I read your response, I guess I will agree the rods are the weakest link. I am curious though as to how many rod vs crank snout issues were recorded over the years. I mean we will never know, but I guess I can agree seeming coming into these cars I heard about rods, and never heard about crank snouts being weak until mine snapped and was researching root cause.

Thank you for being reasonable with your response and not resorting to hitting below the belt and trying to play games. I enjoy the conversations much more when we can all talk like adults and talk logically.
 

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Lol its all
You most certainly were one of the people I was talking about now that you bring it up. lol
Again not sure the relevance for the topic at hand, but thanks for the view I guess.
Lol its all good. And like I said in the pm it shouldn't be taken the wrong way as I've seen them sold here for that price.
 

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100% correct. Definitely man. From reading around the web, these cars are stout for sure.

I had a lowly 01 Cobra with a Vortech Si. 286rwhp stock, 447rwhp when done. I drove it for 20k miles supercharged without one hiccup other than a failed coil pack. Had a ton of fun with it. Drag raced, roll raced etc. its all in the tune, smart mods, good fuel and DRIVING STYLE.


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this.

my 2004 cobra is my daily driver - ported/pullied/intake/exhaust/tune - never raced, minimal hard driving. It's got 250k on it, still uses the stock clutch, and other than brakes/oil/tires and the occasional suspension part (hubs) and throw out bearing (those SOBs eat TOBs) it's holding together just fine.
 

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Welp! I'll add some sauce to this post. My 2014 went "boom" 2 weeks ago. Completely my fault for letting my ego get the best of me for 1 and for not taking care of my maintenance updates for 2....

2014 w/45,000 miles on the odo
Full Bolt on (TB, CAI, 2.5pulley, LTH, Xpipe, Cat Delete, Tune...)
Dyno 700rwhp

Was playing around on the highway
Did a pull, 60mph in 3rd, and shifted at 7K
Shifted into 4th and the engine lost it
Smoke seen out my rear view mirror
Engine shut off
I rolled to the exit and into a parking lot with a trail of oil :((

Towed it to my performance shop and was told something (cant remember) shot out the side of the block.

After discussing the re-build plan, I was told the following parts would provide a stronger motor that was built for "racing" and would hold up better than the stock block/internals that I had.

I am interested to know what you think of the proposed list:

- Ford OEM 5.8L Engine Block
- Ford OEM Crankshaft
- Diamond Pistons
- Manley H Beam Rods
- King Racing Rod and Main Bearings
- ARP Main Studs, Head Studs, Side Bolts
- Cometic Head Gaskets
- Machine Shop Services:
Balance Rotating Assembly
Torque Plate Hone Cylinders
Deck Cylinder Heads
- Removal and Disassembly of Engine
- Blueprint and Assembly of Short Block
- Assembly and Installation of Engine
- Ford OEM Oil Pickup Tube and Oil Cooler
- Break In Oil
 

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