Trinity article about motors blowing up

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Going to be pretty epic specially with those cams
I'm thinking of doing a ported blower as well. If I get 900hp to the tire I'm cool with that. I roll race from a second gear pull.TOO much power and I will be like Mustang lifestyle spinning too much in second and third.i like his channel because I test the hell out of cars too.i also need a cortex watt link.
 

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I don't think there is any doubt. Although there are those who try really hard to convince 13/14 owners that their cars won't appreciate much, or soon, due to so many of them being built. Well, I can only speak for the 2013, as I have the production numbers. For the '13 model year, there were 4,885 GT500 created. My particular Ingot silver coupe had 165 made. Now, another GT500 forum member crows about the exclusivity of the 2020, but as of now, 5,909 will be built. So my question: how can one not see the potential rarity of the 2013/14 when being compared to a 2020?
It's called rationalization of one's dubious decisions. Good examples are found in this thread. :rolleyes:

Specially in your color. The rarest i believe. I have the race red
Depends on the MY. Ingot Silver was the rarest color in '13, with only 198 produced. It was the third-rarest in '14, with 266 produced. (There were only 193 Grabber Blue and only 1 Gotta Have it Green produced in '14, making GHIG THE most rare color from the two-year production run, followed by Ingot Silver.)

True that. I have a black 2014 with all the options except the glass roof.
Nice! Clone of my car, but you're gonna push a bit more horsepower when your build is done.

I feel that at the end of 3rd gear imo should be more then enough if anything just a little into 4th. Load=bad things
You may be right but, FWIW, I ran mine to 160MPH (top-end of 4th gear) at the Pikes Peak Airstrip Attack and just over 170MPH (over 5K RPM in 5th gear) at the Colorado Mile with zero problems. She was still stock at the CO Mile. PPAA runs were before and after full bolt-ons and custom dyno tune.

Only had the car for 3 weeks but based on reading here and around the web these are very stout motors. Just like any other motors, bad tunes, bad power combos or shitty maintenance will kill it along with contestant overrevs. Even then, they seem to take obuse.

My gut tells me these car are going up in value. Tons of milestones and last of the “lasts”. Even then, i bought the car for me and still would of if i was told its value will drop like a rock.
+1 to all of this. If you decide to upgrade power, Eddie @ Elite Performance and Tuning is the man to see in this area.

Exactly! And I don't have to create a video to attempt to convince people that I am right.
Those who couldn't wait for a shift knob and erector set wing have to fund their foolishly paid ADMs somehow...
 

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I like how 2013/2014 vs 2020+ somehow manages to work its way into almost every thread in this subforum :)
 

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Define abuse

OP... as mentioned earlier, your motor will live quite a long life at 800whp IF:

—you do not rev over 6500 rpm. Your rods suck balls and will crumble like coffee cake with excessive 7000 rpm blasts at ANY power level. Keep the rpm down.
—you run quality fuel ALWAYS and run a quality/known tuner.
—you don’t “shock” or overload the rods at low rpm. Never never never go WOT in 6th gear at low speed.

Given these engines don't like high revs (from a longevity standpoint) I don't understand why Ford included the ability to over-run to 7k once warmed up? Surely they'd value reliability over an extra 10-15hp on a dyno?
 

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Given these engines don't like high revs (from a longevity standpoint) I don't understand why Ford included the ability to over-run to 7k once warmed up? Surely they'd value reliability over an extra 10-15hp on a dyno?
Man good point.
 

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Given these engines don't like high revs (from a longevity standpoint) I don't understand why Ford included the ability to over-run to 7k once warmed up? Surely they'd value reliability over an extra 10-15hp on a dyno?

Doesn’t matter what the intentions were, the rods are the weak link in the 13/14 and arguably weaker than the 07-12 rod (also weak) being the small end of the 13/14 is smaller (although mostly the same part).

It’s a damn shame because the crank is forged and strong as hell as are the pistons (forged).

Honestly, it’s a 1000hp motor IMO other than the crappy rods.



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I agree there seems to be something missing from that article.
So many factors can go into motor damage even at the basic bolt on stages. It could be over revving, wrong plugs, bad plugs, old plugs, bad fuel and of course a bad tune.
I think the '13/14 GT500 7000rpm redline....as well as the 3.31 rear gears were for one reason. The car made major headlines at 204mph . That top speed made no difference to me because my vert was factory chipped at 155mph...a speed I've never attained.
What I love most was the '13/14 platform was sure as heck a most awesome base for Bolt On low 700'srwhp ,4.10 gears and smiling like a little kid at the top of 4th gear!
 
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It’s a damn shame because the crank is forged and strong as hell as are the pistons (forged).

Honestly, it’s a 1000hp motor IMO other than the crappy rods.



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and then the guys come in that snapped crank snouts or spun bearings due to whatever random oiling issues, or trashed x amount of tr6060’s.

These break quite a bit more than this thread leads onto. Lol.
There are PLENTY of blown 5.8’s out there in the world. Honestly, I’d even say you seen them trashed more than the 5.4’s.
It is a damn shame though, esp when you think you are getting into a “bulletproof” motor
 

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and then the guys come in that snapped crank snouts or spun bearings due to whatever random oiling issues, or trashed x amount of tr6060’s.

These break quite a bit more than this thread leads onto. Lol.
There are PLENTY of blown 5.8’s out there in the world. Honestly, I’d even say you seen them trashed more than the 5.4’s.
It is a damn shame though, esp when you think you are getting into a “bulletproof” motor
and then the guys come in that snapped crank snouts or spun bearings due to whatever random oiling issues, or trashed x amount of tr6060’s.

These break quite a bit more than this thread leads onto. Lol.
There are PLENTY of blown 5.8’s out there in the world. Honestly, I’d even say you seen them trashed more than the 5.4’s.
It is a damn shame though, esp when you think you are getting into a “bulletproof” motor
Yikes!
 

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and then the guys come in that snapped crank snouts or spun bearings due to whatever random oiling issues, or trashed x amount of tr6060’s.

These break quite a bit more than this thread leads onto. Lol.
There are PLENTY of blown 5.8’s out there in the world. Honestly, I’d even say you seen them trashed more than the 5.4’s.
It is a damn shame though, esp when you think you are getting into a “bulletproof” motor
There are also plenty of Gen3 Coyote motors stock that are blowing Oil and piston rings for crappy Bore work. Cylinders are out of round but you won't here much from Ford about it.

I'm sure any Ford Service mgrs across the country can tell you plenty of examples.

My point is none of the Motors built by Ford now adays are bullet proof.
 

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and then the guys come in that snapped crank snouts or spun bearings due to whatever random oiling issues, or trashed x amount of tr6060’s.

These break quite a bit more than this thread leads onto. Lol.
There are PLENTY of blown 5.8’s out there in the world. Honestly, I’d even say you seen them trashed more than the 5.4’s.
It is a damn shame though, esp when you think you are getting into a “bulletproof” motor
I have yet to see a "bulletproof" motor. They can all be blown by a bad tune, bad gas, poor driving, etc. Your post implies 5.8s are more failure-prone than other engines (e.g., 5.4, 5.0, 5.2, etc). I'm not aware of any such reliable/authoritative stats, but am willing to learn if you point the way...

Fear not. Thousands of us have modded our 5.8s smartly/modestly, relying on reputable tuners, using good quality fuel, and driving them properly, with ZERO problems. Obviously, YMMV, especially if you miss/ignore any of the aforementioned conditions.

There are also plenty of Gen3 Coyote motors stock that are blowing Oil and piston rings for crappy Bore work. Cylinders are out of round but you won't here much from Ford about it.

I'm sure any Ford Service mgrs across the country can tell you plenty of examples.

My point is none of the Motors built by Ford now adays are bullet proof.
+1 to all of this ^^.
 

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Our cars are older for sure there's no question about that. That doesn't mean that they aren't good lol. Just seeing what everyone is experiencing. The new gt500s are exactly that, new. They will have their own problems eventually. I for sure love my car, as do many others that see it.

I honestly don’t care much for the 2020 at all. We have the real last Shelby made. The 2020 is the new thing but that’s Just and SVT. This honestly is not just me saying, everywhere I park this car I get told the same. Is a shared sentiment.


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I don't think there is any doubt. Although there are those who try really hard to convince 13/14 owners that their cars won't appreciate much, or soon, due to so many of them being built. Well, I can only speak for the 2013, as I have the production numbers. For the '13 model year, there were 4,885 GT500 created. My particular Ingot silver coupe had 165 made. Now, another GT500 forum member crows about the exclusivity of the 2020, but as of now, 5,909 will be built. So my question: how can one not see the potential rarity of the 2013/14 when being compared to a 2020?

Don’t forget that 13-14 are the real last Shelby too. After those years the rest will be just SVT as much as they slap Shelby badges everywhere!!!


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Don’t forget that 13-14 are the real last Shelby too. After those years the rest will be just SVT as much as they slap Shelby badges everywhere!!!
It only says shelby on the front lip of the car lol. If I remember.
@luillo I agree and believe most people do too.

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