How will Ford "Raptor" respond to Rebel TRX V8? GM lurking too.

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Why? The last one failed miserably despite great media reviews.

Care to explain? Failing miserably can mean very different things to different people. Sales, performance, price?????

You do realize that the Viper V10 was a very limited and expensive engine to build. It was never meant to be anything more than a niche vehicle. They would have put a hipo mainstream engine in it if they intended to sell mass quantities.
 

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Barely out accelerate it?????

0-60 is a full second, which only tells a very small part of the story. Trucks with off road tires probably don't generate tons of dead stop grip.

The 0-100 is far more telling. Ram claims 10.5, while the Raptor is real-world proven to take somewhere north of 15-16 seconds. That's bus length type distances and not even remotely close. In only 40 mph, it opens up an additional 4-5 sec. The Raptor has fallen on it's face.

All I posted and that is what you came away with lol...ok I'll bite ( even though the fact that we are debating about 0 to 100 payment times in this category is beyond laughable)

I said barley because at 0-60 is probably I stoplight situation , I personally don't take into account the 0-200 aspect of it because nobody is street racing these trucks, at least I would assume the ppl buying them a 0-100 time on pavement is the least of concern.

If ppl do race them I think 0-60 Is more likely going to happen vs 0-100 . But congrats to the TRX as it is best at the least important performance measurement of this category.
 

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Care to explain? Failing miserably can mean very different things to different people. Sales, performance, price?????

You do realize that the Viper V10 was a very limited and expensive engine to build. It was never meant to be anything more than a niche vehicle. They would have put a hipo mainstream engine in it if they intended to sell mass quantities.
It did not sell. The price they garnered did not meet the production costs.

I would love an SRT Ram with manual trans!
 

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I'm a Raptor owner that would love to see a supercharged V8. I'm not going to pay $80K or $90K for it though. That's probably where the MSRP of a V8 supercharged Raptor would be. ADM would easily put it over $100K. The TRX will be priced in this area as well.

You win, your MSRP guess was spot on
 

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It did not sell. The price they garnered did not meet the production costs.

I would love an SRT Ram with manual trans!

Old buddy and former colleague had one of those...Man that truck was actually a lot of fun....we went on a road trip to pick up a 97 blue and white Viper GTS for him and I got to drive the truck back....
 

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All I posted and that is what you came away with lol...ok I'll bite ( even though the fact that we are debating about 0 to 100 payment times in this category is beyond laughable)

I said barley because at 0-60 is probably I stoplight situation , I personally don't take into account the 0-200 aspect of it because nobody is street racing these trucks, at least I would assume the ppl buying them a 0-100 time on pavement is the least of concern.

If ppl do race them I think 0-60 Is more likely going to happen vs 0-100 . But congrats to the TRX as it is best at the least important performance measurement of this category.

Hey man, you are the one who made the bold claim about "barely out accelerating it", not me.

Can't make your arguments both ways.
 

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Hey man, you are the one who made the bold claim about "barely out accelerating it", not me.

Can't make your arguments both ways.

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I was speaking in terms of 0-60 times
 

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All I posted and that is what you came away with lol...ok I'll bite ( even though the fact that we are debating about 0 to 100 payment times in this category is beyond laughable)

I said barley because at 0-60 is probably I stoplight situation , I personally don't take into account the 0-200 aspect of it because nobody is street racing these trucks, at least I would assume the ppl buying them a 0-100 time on pavement is the least of concern.

If ppl do race them I think 0-60 Is more likely going to happen vs 0-100 . But congrats to the TRX as it is best at the least important performance measurement of this category.

You'll be surprised. Over the years you'll see threads on FRF on people taking it to the track/asking how to make it go faster on the street. Or how can they beat their neighbors 6.2L chevy on the street. Threads usually turn into a bash fest but still entertaining.

I think the best(seriously) thread on going fast on the street was from the member, "Biggest", who did a crap done of mods to his Gen 1. Think it ran 11's on ATs.
Didn't build it for a street queen iirc but he was curious to know how fast it was after all that work.
Think it was a 6.6L with a whipple +.
 

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All I posted and that is what you came away with lol...ok I'll bite ( even though the fact that we are debating about 0 to 100 payment times in this category is beyond laughable)

I said barley because at 0-60 is probably I stoplight situation , I personally don't take into account the 0-200 aspect of it because nobody is street racing these trucks, at least I would assume the ppl buying them a 0-100 time on pavement is the least of concern.

If ppl do race them I think 0-60 Is more likely going to happen vs 0-100 . But congrats to the TRX as it is best at the least important performance measurement of this category.

Exactly what category is this, exactly? Isn't it a "desert race truck" category? If so, then the TRX wins and absolutely the 0-100 numbers are important. Perhaps if be more accurate to cite 0-100 acceleration on sand rather than on asphalt? Still waiting for C&D to send Randy out to the desert to do laps in the Raptor.

ETA: I got somewhat bashed in the McLaren F1 redux thread when I questioned a manual, etc. The reasoning was that this is all about the driver experience. If so, wouldn't it be true that a significantly nicer interior and a big mean supercharged V8 is a better driver experience than the current raptor?
 

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Exactly what category is this, exactly? Isn't it a "desert race truck" category? If so, then the TRX wins and absolutely the 0-100 numbers are important. Perhaps if be more accurate to cite 0-100 acceleration on sand rather than on asphalt? Still waiting for C&D to send Randy out to the desert to do laps in the Raptor.

ETA: I got somewhat bashed in the McLaren F1 redux thread when I questioned a manual, etc. The reasoning was that this is all about the driver experience. If so, wouldn't it be true that a significantly nicer interior and a big mean supercharged V8 is a better driver experience than the current raptor?

I will address the last part of your post first.... yes and no imo....yes because I do prefer luxury and fit and finish and this TRX has that over any truck pants down without question, and I prefer the V8 over the EcoBoost, now with that said obviously I have not driven a TRX but on paper I feel like you will be able to feel the 6,600lbs and that is one of the main aspects that I like about the Raptor is it feels very light and Nimble for a truck whereas the TRX I think would feel more like a sledgehammer. A ZL1 is after than say a AMG GT-S but the GT-S is the better driving experience imo. Keep in mind I don't know this for a fact just my speculation

Now to the first part of your post zero to a hundred off road in different terrains is world's different than on the pavement. More things coming to play than just horsepower most notably how the suspension works in transferring around the extra 1k lbs weight it has on the raptor.

If u are saying just a straight line on a lightly gravel road, meh ok but that is my fault for even bringing that up as it means absolutely nothing to me. My interest is seeing how the TRX performs with its copy and pasted Gen 2 Raptor suspension with 1k more weight and 300 more HP.

As I said in post #34 of this thread I hope the TRX beats the Gen 2 raptor in ever performance measurement but I have my doubt know seeing that all ram did was 1up Ford in the HP war but copied and pasted in the suspension department ( at least that's what it seems like on paper)
 

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I will address the last part of your post first.... yes and no imo....yes because I do prefer luxury and fit and finish and this TRX has that over any truck pants down without question, and I prefer the V8 over the EcoBoost, now with that said obviously I have not driven a TRX but on paper I feel like you will be able to feel the 6,600lbs and that is one of the main aspects that I like about the Raptor is it feels very light and Nimble for a truck whereas the TRX I think would feel more like a sledgehammer. A ZL1 is after than say a AMG GT-S but the GT-S is the better driving experience imo. Keep in mind I don't know this for a fact just my speculation

Now to the first part of your post zero to a hundred off road in different terrains is world's different than on the pavement. More things coming to play than just horsepower most notably how the suspension works in transferring around the extra 1k lbs weight it has on the raptor.

If u are saying just a straight line on a lightly gravel road, meh ok but that is my fault for even bringing that up as it means absolutely nothing to me. My interest is seeing how the TRX performs with its copy and pasted Gen 2 Raptor suspension with 1k more weight and 300 more HP.

As I said in post #34 of this thread I hope the TRX beats the Gen 2 raptor in ever performance measurement but I have my doubt know seeing that all ram did was 1up Ford in the HP war but copied and pasted in the suspension department ( at least that's what it seems like on paper)

I’d imagine the beefed up frame should help as well. Based on the seat time I’ve had in my current ram, I’d fully expect the TRX to be a very formidable competitor to the raptor. The quality is leaps and bounds better in the 5th gen variant. As far as the weight vs an F150, I don’t think it’s that significant where it become a noticeable factor when driving around even spirited like. I could be wrong as I haven’t spent a ton of time behind the wheel of a raptor.

I will be curious to see how the next raptor is as I thought they were changing up the rear suspension
 

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I’d imagine the beefed up frame should help as well. Based on the seat time I’ve had in my current ram, I’d fully expect the TRX to be a very formidable competitor to the raptor. The quality is leaps and bounds better in the 5th gen variant. As far as the weight vs an F150, I don’t think it’s that significant where it become a noticeable factor when driving around even spirited like. I could be wrong as I haven’t spent a ton of time behind the wheel of a raptor.

I will be curious to see how the next raptor is as I thought they were changing up the rear suspension

Going coils in the rear too.
 

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I suppose I am the old man here and it is generally not a concern to me at all, but if I am driving the truck everyday and putting 15-20K a year on it like I currently do, I think the operating cost of the Dodge is gonna be a significant matter over my twin turbo 6. I like the rumble and think it is well done, but in the end it is my transportation vehicle, not a toy like my 350 or a Hellcat would be. I think 10-12 mpg might be real world numbers. I know the Gen1 Raptor was thirsty too.
 

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I suppose I am the old man here and it is generally not a concern to me at all, but if I am driving the truck everyday and putting 15-20K a year on it like I currently do, I think the operating cost of the Dodge is gonna be a significant matter over my twin turbo 6. I like the rumble and think it is well done, but in the end it is my transportation vehicle, not a toy like my 350 or a Hellcat would be. I think 10-12 mpg might be real world numbers. I know the Gen1 Raptor was thirsty too.

i can share my opinion on that as I do 100 miles a day currently. The appeal of the TRX is that I can have one vehicle that in theory should provide a comfortable commute but also gobs of fun for weekend use that can still fit the family. At that point there is no need for multiple vehicles so the increased fuel costs daily is negligible since I wouldn’t buy a weekend car as well.

that’s how I would justify owning one of these.
 

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i can share my opinion on that as I do 100 miles a day currently. The appeal of the TRX is that I can have one vehicle that in theory should provide a comfortable commute but also gobs of fun for weekend use that can still fit the family. At that point there is no need for multiple vehicles so the increased fuel costs daily is negligible since I wouldn’t buy a weekend car as well.

that’s how I would justify owning one of these.
Until it breaks on the first jump...to be real I operate on the same conditions. I screwed the rear leafs on my Raptor. It was not a catastrophic failure. I didn’t notice until I installed bump stops and I was getting into the bumps just driving around town.
 

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Until it breaks on the first jump...to be real I operate on the same conditions. I screwed the rear leafs on my Raptor. It was not a catastrophic failure. I didn’t notice until I installed bump stops and I was getting into the bumps just driving around town.

I don’t jump any of my vehicles so that would be a moot point for me personally unless we’re talking jumping a curb in a drive through LOL.

in fairness any truck can break if you tali’s it off road, that’s all part of the territory. I’m not a brand loyalist so if I ended up with another ford in my driveway at some point it wouldn’t be a big deal to me.

I will also admit, I have one very unique quirk with the ford trucks currently. Since they are all aluminum and require specific tools for body repairs, I factor that in. I run a body shop for a living and I just can’t see owning a vehicle that I couldn’t have an in house tech do structural repairs if need be. This will change though as aluminum usage is increasing across the board for most makes and more widespread will shops have to get the equipment to mitigate that.
 

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Lol I should of bet money someone was gonna say something. Honestly the worst thing about it was the smell and taste. JUST got that back like 2 days ago.
 

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