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Is Jake slowly transitioning to an exclusive Mopar guy?
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I’ve always been a Mopar guy at heart
68 Charger 68 Roadrunner 71 Duster are my roots ! Gone but not forgotten!
Honestly Ford has been dicking me around with the ST buyback, 4 months and counting that my wife has been driving a loaner.
 

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Yeah, no denying it’s a great motor for sure. Very capable. But in top ford performance trim its a lacking package. My brothers raptor isn’t anywhere close in acceleration to my 19 roush blown truck. It won’t even be on the same planet as far acceleration to a hellcat ram/TRX or whatever it is. Lol. Hopefully this pushes ford to a forced induction v8 raptor to compete. One that’s competitively priced to the trx.

Your acceleration between you and your has nothing to do with you having a blown V8 vs his ecoboost. It has everything to do with you being 650hp and him being 450hp.....a IC and tune and he will be at 650hp and probably more torque.

Ford does not need a blown V8 to compete with the TRX, it just needs more power and that could be had with a powerboost motor ( which I am 90% sure is going to be in the Gen3) . It needs a blown V8 to appease the V8 sand pounders.

I'm willing to bet ppl will buy the more expensive less capable TRX all in the name of sound. Which is cool with me, if u like it I love it.
 

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Bingo.
Just like the previous Ram Runner.

As I recall the RR was better off road then a Gen1, but it cost more (dealer install kit) and it's on road manners where lacking.

The Ram does have the advantage of already having a nicer interior and superior suspension setup with Coils in the rear.

So the question is, what's the balance.

Will they give up highway manners? Will it have to much roll? Do they give up payload and towing? Or do they embrace the Urban cowboy and increase the work ability and comfort but give up some desert performance? Do they focus on all out Pre-Running or also include trails and rocks in their design.

At the end of the day the a Raptor is "just" a F150 with 35's, Fox By-pass and a mid-travel kit. It doesn't come remotely close to an actual Pre-Runner, buts it's factory package looks cool and the coilovers ride nice on and off the road.
Isn’t the Raptor about a foot wider than the standard F150, plus lots of aluminum suspension parts?
 

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Isn’t the Raptor about a foot wider than the standard F150, plus lots of aluminum suspension parts?
7". The suspension itself isn't that much different. I believe the arms are around +2" per side. Aluminum LCA and generic steel UCA. the rear is just different leaf springs. And then of course it's using Fox internal bypass shocks.

Real control arms are made from boxed steel and not aluminum.
 

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Your acceleration between you and your has nothing to do with you having a blown V8 vs his ecoboost. It has everything to do with you being 650hp and him being 450hp.....a IC and tune and he will be at 650hp and probably more torque.

Ford does not need a blown V8 to compete with the TRX, it just needs more power and that could be had with a powerboost motor ( which I am 90% sure is going to be in the Gen3) . It needs a blown V8 to appease the V8 sand pounders.

I'm willing to bet ppl will buy the more expensive less capable TRX all in the name of sound. Which is cool with me, if u like it I love it.
Tune that eco boost and you’ve lost your warranty. If we both want to lose our warranty, I’ll do a pulley swap, long tubes, and e85 tune. I wonder how that will stack up against the eco boost? And I know people absolutely love the eco boost. But if ford had a blown v8 optioned raptor with 200 more hp and the same price, how many people would option the eco boost over the blown v8? My guess is not a lot.
 

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Isn’t the Raptor about a foot wider than the standard F150, plus lots of aluminum suspension parts?
6 inches wider as I recall.

Yes it has aluminum upper lowers.

It has 13" of travel.

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For comparison a stock Tundra is about 9" of travel. A mid-travel kit, which consists of a $700 upper arm set and some coils ($1,600) gives you just short of 12.5" of travel. You can then go big with a Camburg LT setup and get 15-16" up front.

Ironically the Raptor only gets 14-15" with A Camburg LT kit.

(sorry I don't know what a stock F150 numbers are since I generally don't give a crap about One-Fitties)

But this is also why guys call the Raptor a "mid travel" truck. It doesn't have the full. Numbers your typical aftermarket kit has even though it's a factory has.

Calling it a prerunner or trophy truck is like calling a GT500 a top-fuel Dragster.
 

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Tune that eco boost and you’ve lost your warranty. If we both want to lose our warranty, I’ll do a pulley swap, long tubes, and e85 tune. I wonder how that will stack up against the eco boost? And I know people absolutely love the eco boost. But if ford had a blown v8 optioned raptor with 200 more hp and the same price, how many people would option the eco boost over the blown v8? My guess is not a lot.

You missed the point of my post, his raptor doesn't have the acceleration of yours because of lack of HP not because it doesn't have a V8....

Not to mention if he gets a Roush stage 2 he would be at similar power levels with the same warranty you have.

So to your point , would it be cool if Ford did a blown V8? Yes ....is it needed to be the best in the segment ? No...
 

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^Generic steel uppers. There's really not much going on under there. They've just maxed out what a truck with good street manners can do. A real prerunner is god awful on the road. Which is why I'm highly skeptical of the TRX's offroad capabilities.
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6 inches wider as I recall.

Yes it has aluminum upper lowers.

It has 13" of travel.

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For comparison a stock Tundra is about 9" of travel. A mid-travel kit, which consists of a $700 upper arm set and some coils ($1,600) gives you just short of 12.5" of travel. You can then go big with a Camburg LT setup and get 15-16" up front.

Ironically the Raptor only gets 14-15" with A Camburg LT kit.

(sorry I don't know what a stock F150 numbers are since I generally don't give a crap about One-Fitties)

But this is also why guys call the Raptor a "mid travel" truck. It doesn't have the full. Numbers your typical aftermarket kit has even though it's a factory has.

Calling it a prerunner or trophy truck is like calling a GT500 a top-fuel Dragster.

Just for the record it's 13" front and 14" rear ....

That extra inch is the difference between a ohhh and an ahhh lol
 

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You missed the point of my post, his raptor doesn't have the acceleration of yours because of lack of HP not because it doesn't have a V8....

Not to mention if he gets a Roush stage 2 he would be at similar power levels with the same warranty you have.

So to your point , would it be cool if Ford did a blown V8? Yes ....is it needed to be the best in the segment ? No...
I totally understand the horsepower argument. Any of these modern motors can be made fast. Just much easier with the v8. And I can’t see Ford mass producing a 700 hp EcoBoost v6 with a warranty in this price range that would compete with a TRX. Now if the TRX doesn’t perform nearly as well off road that will make things somewhat different.
Ford lost a lot of raptor buyers based on that motor, myself included. When you are the only competitor in your segment, you can do whatever you want. When others join in with more appealing offerings, it can hopefully force changes. No different if they had put the EcoBoost v6 in the gt500. Even had it made the same power, buyers would have been lost.
 

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Looking forward to seeing this. I've been wanting a Raptor, but I will not buy it with an Ecojunk because I hate the sound of a V6. This could swing me over to Ram quite easily.
 

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I totally understand the horsepower argument. Any of these modern motors can be made fast. Just much easier with the v8. And I can’t see Ford mass producing a 700 hp EcoBoost v6 with a warranty in this price range that would compete with a TRX. Now if the TRX doesn’t perform nearly as well off road that will make things somewhat different.
Ford lost a lot of raptor buyers based on that motor, myself included. When you are the only competitor in your segment, you can do whatever you want. When others join in with more appealing offerings, it can hopefully force changes. No different if they had put the EcoBoost v6 in the gt500. Even had it made the same power, buyers would have been lost.

First off if you saying the motor is what led u to by a SC Roush instead of a raptor than u weren't interested in a raptor for the right reasons in the first place. Ford doesn't wouldn't make a ecoboost at that power level but it is possible with a powerboost motor but a raptor wouldn't need 700hp to be the better truck for this segment. Are u wanting a extremely fast mall crawler or truck that is better off road ?

Most ppl that are complaining/hoping for a high HP V8 aren't wanting raptor for its off road capabilities, they want the sound and the " bragging rights" and that is the void dodge will fill. Hell I am starting to thing Ford is going with the ecoboost and powerboost line so it doesn't take away from Shelby since Shelby already makes the mall crawler everybody is waiting for from dodge .
 

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First off if you saying the motor is what led u to by a SC Roush instead of a raptor than u weren't interested in a raptor for the right reasons in the first place. Ford doesn't wouldn't make a ecoboost at that power level but it is possible with a powerboost motor but a raptor wouldn't need 700hp to be the better truck for this segment. Are u wanting a extremely fast mall crawler or truck that is better off road ?

Most ppl that are complaining/hoping for a high HP V8 aren't wanting raptor for its off road capabilities, they want the sound and the " bragging rights" and that is the void dodge will fill. Hell I am starting to thing Ford is going with the ecoboost and powerboost line so it doesn't take away from Shelby since Shelby already makes the mall crawler everybody is waiting for from dodge .
This was my very point all along. In my original post i said that 90% of people don’t use these trucks as intended. Most people are just like myself. Daily drive esp when weather is suboptimal, haul family around, hunt, haul things, winter vehicle, etc. when this is the case, I chose the much faster, snappier, better sounding option as will most people. I have 5 other cars in my garage that I can’t drive in those circumstances. As I stated before, my brother hasn’t taken his raptor anywhere that my truck can’t go. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t, because his truck is WAY more capable off road as you know. IF, a person were buying a raptor for its intended purpose, off roading, then it becomes a different argument and kinda irrelevant about the motor. Therefore, a similarly capable and looking package with a much superior motor (TRX) may take away from the raptor sales. See what I’m saying? Not in any way trying to argue.
 

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First off if you saying the motor is what led u to by a SC Roush instead of a raptor than u weren't interested in a raptor for the right reasons in the first place. Ford doesn't wouldn't make a ecoboost at that power level but it is possible with a powerboost motor but a raptor wouldn't need 700hp to be the better truck for this segment. Are u wanting a extremely fast mall crawler or truck that is better off road ?

Most ppl that are complaining/hoping for a high HP V8 aren't wanting raptor for its off road capabilities, they want the sound and the " bragging rights" and that is the void dodge will fill. Hell I am starting to thing Ford is going with the ecoboost and powerboost line so it doesn't take away from Shelby since Shelby already makes the mall crawler everybody is waiting for from dodge .
And you are 100% correct. I wasn’t interested in the raptor for any of right reasons like off-roading. I need something to get my performance “fix” when I can’t drive my cars. Sound is part of that. Much like 99% of gt350R buyers have never been to road course in their life. But they sold the hell out of them. Not sure how that would’ve sold with the ecoboost in it.
 

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And you are 100% correct. I wasn’t interested in the raptor for any of right reasons like off-roading. I need something to get my performance “fix” when I can’t drive my cars. Sound is part of that. Much like 99% of gt350R buyers have never been to road course in their life. But they sold the hell out of them. Not sure how that would’ve sold with the ecoboost in it.

I don't think you can use the 350r to help your argument since the 350r isn't just a regular V8. Would it have sold in a ecoboost? Probably not, would it of sold with a regular 5.0 in it? We can wait and see what the mach 1 numbers are but I am willing to bet it won't be anything close to the 350r and that is because of its FPC 5.2.....not just because it's a V8
 

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I don't think you can use the 350r to help your argument since the 350r isn't just a regular V8. Would it have sold in a ecoboost? Probably not, would it of sold with a regular 5.0 in it? We can wait and see what the mach 1 numbers are but I am willing to bet it won't be anything close to the 350r and that is because of its FPC 5.2.....not just because it's a V8
Was just trying to point out that people aren’t buying a lot of vehicles for their true intended purpose. Gt350r, gt3rs, Jeep rubicon, raptor, TRX, etc.
 

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This was my very point all along. In my original post i said that 90% of people don’t use these trucks as intended. Most people are just like myself. Daily drive esp when weather is suboptimal, haul family around, hunt, haul things, winter vehicle, etc. when this is the case, I chose the much faster, snappier, better sounding option as will most people. I have 5 other cars in my garage that I can’t drive in those circumstances. As I stated before, my brother hasn’t taken his raptor anywhere that my truck can’t go. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t, because his truck is WAY more capable off road as you know. IF, a person were buying a raptor for its intended purpose, off roading, then it becomes a different argument and kinda irrelevant about the motor. Therefore, a similarly capable and looking package with a much superior motor (TRX) may take away from the raptor sales. See what I’m saying? Not in any way trying to argue.

I never have disputed your position on intended use , my point was ppl who are complaining Shouldn't be looking at a raptor in the first place. Ppl looking for fast mall crawlers should do what you did and buy the options Ford already has like the SC Roush and Shelby F150.
 

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I never have disputed your position on intended use , my point was ppl who are complaining Shouldn't be looking at a raptor in the first place. Ppl looking for fast mall crawlers should do what you did and buy the options Ford already has the the SC Roush and Shelby F150.
can’t we have a bad ass looking, off road capable, fast, great sounding truck? Why is that such a bad thing? I absolutely love the look of the raptor. So if dodge checks off all the boxes, that will piss me off. I want the raptor to have all those things. Lol
 

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